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To: betty boop
The old religions, the old tribalistic moral codes, may not serve for todays society. They may be our problems.

And how do we "fix" that problem, tpaine?

As I said earlier, we should be educating to encourage independent thinking, based on the principles of our constitutional republic. Religions in america should be encouraging a respect for our principles of individual rights to life, liberty & property. Yet here on FR, it seems the biggest proponents for 'states rights' over our individual rights, are the socalled 'moral majority'.

Methinks you want to "throw out the baby with the bathwater," tpaine.

Not at all betty. I'm not anti-religious, - I'm anti-zealot, as was Koestler.
You would think that individual freedom would be argued loudest by religious people in their own self interest. I'm afraid the zealots have the floor, -- and the podium.

Do you think I'm a zealot, tpaine?

Not at all betty, but you're giving a excellent impression of being unable to comment on the answers to questions you've asked me, thus leading you to ask yet more questions.
Can you actually make a reply in your own words, using your own reasoning, -- on the issue at hand, --- or will we be subjected to more of your cut/paste musings from various obscure 'philosophers'?

"FWIW", & hugs.

536 posted on 08/21/2003 2:41:32 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: betty boop
You do like stirring the pot, don't you?
538 posted on 08/21/2003 3:35:48 PM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: tpaine
Can you actually make a reply in your own words, using your own reasoning, -- on the issue at hand, --- or will we be subjected to more of your cut/paste musings from various obscure 'philosophers'?

Well, I just might be able to do that, tpaine -- provided you can frame a proper question WRT "the issue at hand" that I might cogently reply to. How exactly would you define "the issue at hand"? And don't take the shortcut of saying that "we need to follow the Constitution." Speaking as an American, to me that point is not debatable. I just wonder -- where exactly do you think the Constitution "comes from?"

BTW, everything I write here whether you know it or not is based on my own observation and reasoning. If I "cut and paste" various "obscure philosophers" (and scientists, but apparently you haven't noticed that yet), it is only to cite authority for my own personally-informed views. Otherwise, I'd expect you'd think I was dealing merely in personal "opinion."

541 posted on 08/21/2003 4:43:17 PM PDT by betty boop (Bohr is brutally realistic in epistemological terms. -- Kafatos & Nadeau)
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