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To: RightWhale; Alamo-Girl; unspun; Phaedrus; Right Wing Professor; Doctor Stochastic; PatrickHenry; ...
Organization is the opposite pole to order on the entropy axis, and that is a basic error we are making: confusing organization and order in the ideologies.

I guess the problem we're having resides in the definitions. My understanding of organization is rather opposite to the idea of entropy. Theoretically, self-regulation and self-organization takes place in living entities as an emergent process. The purpose it serves is to prevent the living entity from rapidly reaching room temperature; i.e., physical death -- which is to say, the state of entropy. The theoretical biologist Ervin Bauer called this "the life principle."

533 posted on 08/21/2003 1:41:07 PM PDT by betty boop (Bohr is brutally realistic in epistemological terms. -- Kafatos & Nadeau)
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To: betty boop
physical death -- which is to say, the state of entropy.

That is correct. Maximum entropy is the 'heat death.' We lifeforms consume entropy, eat entropy, producing individuation, organization out of order. Order is statistical.

534 posted on 08/21/2003 2:11:18 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: betty boop; RightWhale
Thank you so much for the heads up to the discussion of entropy!

It is a difficult question when viewing biological systems, for more information Lurkers might appreciate this link.

535 posted on 08/21/2003 2:32:18 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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