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To: RightWhale; Alamo-Girl; unspun; Phaedrus; Right Wing Professor; Doctor Stochastic; Physicist
The property of thought or consciousness as we think of it emerges unexpectedly in higher, i.e. less organized matter, that is, individual living creature, but it is potential in organized, that is homogenous, randomly perfect organizations such as the sun.

It's interesting you would say that in regard to the sun. That is, that the sun is a "homogenous, randomly perfect organization." But I'm stubbing my toe over "randomly perfect"; for to me it appears to be an oxymoron....

There is another view of the sun emerging in astrophysical circles. At this point, it's speculative. Yet careful observations conducted by Attila Grandpierre, et al., suggest that the sun exists in resonant coupling, not only to Earth and other of its satellites, but also to the larger systems of the universe. The observations support the idea that the sun is sensitively responsive to, for instance, changes in the Earth's magnetic core, that the sun displays "adaptive behavior" to objects both internal and external to it. That is to say, it displays self-organizing, emergent behavior much more like a living organism than a machine. In short, that its consciousness is not mere potential, but actively expressed.

Grandpierre's book, The Book of the Living Universe, in Magyar (Hungarian) was a best-seller in his own country. Hopefully, the English translation will be published in the United States in the not-to-distant future. I'll be buying it!

529 posted on 08/21/2003 12:47:19 PM PDT by betty boop (Bohr is brutally realistic in epistemological terms. -- Kafatos & Nadeau)
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To: betty boop
Verrrry interesting! Thanks for the heads up!
530 posted on 08/21/2003 12:58:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
The observations support the idea that the sun is sensitively responsive

Where I said organization, I should have said order. This is a work in progress. The sun is not perfectly random or perfectly ordered or at maximum entropy, which are all the same phenomenon. We, OTOH are tending toward organization, i.e. disordering ourselves. Organization is the opposite pole to order on the entropy axis, and that is a basic error we are making: confusing organization and order in the ideologies.

531 posted on 08/21/2003 12:58:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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