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To: tpaine; Alamo-Girl; unspun; Phaedrus; Consort; Aquinasfan; logos; PatrickHenry; ...
He claims they are fanatical men who identify with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and espouse its credo uncritically, contrary to self interest & reason.

I think what Koestler was noticing, tpaine, was something that Cardinal John Henry Newman cryptically described in the following words: "Oh how we hate one another for the love of God."

That's certainly real enough, in historical terms. However, I would like to point out that, for Christians, this is a total violation of both of the fundamental commandments (laws) of the Christian dispensation. FWIW.

441 posted on 08/17/2003 11:19:12 AM PDT by betty boop (Bohr is brutally realistic in epistemological terms. -- Kafatos & Nadeau)
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To: betty boop
He claims they are fanatical men who identify with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and espouse its credo uncritically, contrary to self interest & reason.

I think what Koestler was noticing, tpaine, was something that Cardinal John Henry Newman cryptically described in the following words: "Oh how we hate one another for the love of God."

Crypical? Seems like rare bit of honesty to me. Excessive religious/political fervor are closely connected, just as Koestler aptly wrote, and Newman in a sense agrees.

That's certainly real enough, in historical terms. However, I would like to point out that, for Christians, this is a total violation of both of the fundamental commandments (laws) of the Christian dispensation. FWIW.

Actually, its worth little to merely comment that violations are common, - then to continue on arguing that we must have more religious input into society/government.

The reverse is true. We must insist upon more respect for our non-sectarian constitutional law.

446 posted on 08/17/2003 12:07:00 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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