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To: betty boop
Well, if you tapped onto a full idea it wouldn't be any different than a memory, I reckon, and indeed, becomes a memory almost instantly. So in a sense we don't generate any ideas, we remember them because we have always known what they were. Only in an instant case, where we need to remember, the idea seems to occur.

Post modern life might be all that closed off. It might just be being used in selfishness, greed and arrogance. Perhaps enough of such willful thought based on those destructive states of being has the effect of influencing minds not associated with the source, but connected to the UTF.

Might be what our current culture war is really about and where it's being fought. One person can talk to another and influence them. The words used may not be that important, just the intensity and belief of that idea or those ideas transmitted, using the voice or gesture as a mere carrier wave.

280 posted on 08/09/2003 7:56:49 PM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people)
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To: William Terrell; Alamo-Girl; unspun; Phaedrus; djf; AndrewC; gore3000
Post modern life might be all that closed off. It might just be being used in selfishness, greed and arrogance. Perhaps enough of such willful thought based on those destructive states of being has the effect of influencing minds not associated with the source, but connected to the UTF.

On my understanding, you cannot disassociate the source from the UTF. For whatever is in the UTF is there because the source wants it there. (To put it very crudely.)

As to where "willful thought," and "selfishness, greed and arrogance" might come from: Grandpierre speculates that the refusal to see that parts (most tellingly including humans) are generated by the whole, for the purpose of enabling the claim that the parts all by themselves generate (and constitute) the whole, is an enormous intellectual mistake, with enormous human and cosmic consequences.

Based on an insight from his father, Endre Kiroly Grandpierre, physicist and brilliant cultural anthropologist who passed away last month (may he rest in peace), the son writes:

"Later, a break set up in the trend of human evolution, attempting to cut down the 'whole' from the 'part,' the Cosmos from living beings. The complex subsystem of human collectives preferred only one side of this cosmic trend, the more and more divided and separate complexity, the specification to individual human being, at the expense of general context and cosmic laws, drawing away and retiring from the growing collective order, loosing the connections to the larger, embracing levels of existence. As Andras Angyal expresses it, the autonomous, self-maintaining tendency dominates over its dual brother, the homonymous, self-completing tendency (1941)...."

Just something to think about. Thanks for your thoughtful post, WT!

281 posted on 08/09/2003 8:38:14 PM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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