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To: Aric2000; Alamo-Girl; unspun; Phaedrus; RightWhale; djf; Ichneumon
You are correct, this is not science, this is new age stuff trying to make itself look somehow scientific.

Aric2000, the "New Agers" that I know -- and I have met many -- would be, in all likelihood, completely incapable of handling the science that Grandpierre lays down, in elaborate detail, in support of his postulate of the universal vacuum field. Plus all fields are universal -- the size of the Universe itself. We are comprised of such fields. Add to that quantum superpositioning and entanglement, and you realize that "local" quantum events may "spread" to any place in the universe, instantaneously.... There must be some field or matrix that facilitates this. Its properties are mainly unknown to us right now; but that's why you develop a theory -- to come up with a logical "macrolevel" framework whose identified elements/relations are capable of being tested. I think it would be a "good guess" to say that, in the universal vacuum field, superluminal velocities are achievable.

All of which is to suggest that what you call "new age stuff" may, in fact, be a very serious speculation on solid scientific grounds. Stay tuned!

162 posted on 08/08/2003 10:27:54 AM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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To: betty boop
I'll be the first to jump up and down for joy if such things are proven scientifically.

Right now though, it is outside the range of science.

I never said that it is not worth further study, I am just saying that right now it is not scientific, because if you can't measure it, Induce conclusions from it, or repeat it and verify it, then by that very nature it is unscientific.

When science can come up with the technology and verbage to deal with these phenomenon, I will be one of the first to be joining the grand parade, it's a great thought, it's a wonderful hypothesis, but it is not yet science.

That's all I was saying.
164 posted on 08/08/2003 10:37:04 AM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for that great post!

Indeed, the concepts are so far-reaching that I have no doubt it will be troubling to many and may seem like 'new-ageness' to some.

The bottom line to me is that as this speculation moves to theory status, it will be formalized, tested and falsified. Thus, Grandpierre is "doing" science.

165 posted on 08/08/2003 10:37:37 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Aric2000; Alamo-Girl; Phaedrus; RightWhale; djf; Ichneumon
Aric2000, the "New Agers" that I know -- and I have met many -- would be, in all likelihood, completely incapable of handling the science that Grandpierre lays down, in elaborate detail, in support of his postulate of the universal vacuum field. Plus all fields are universal -- the size of the Universe itself. We are comprised of such fields. Add to that quantum superpositioning and entanglement, and you realize that "local" quantum events may "spread" to any place in the universe, instantaneously.... There must be some field or matrix that facilitates this. Its properties are mainly unknown to us right now; but that's why you develop a theory -- to come up with a logical "macrolevel" framework whose identified elements/relations are capable of being tested. I think it would be a "good guess" to say that, in the universal vacuum field, superluminal velocities are achievable.

LOL

This is one time when I can be sure in relating that, "I couldn't have said it any better!!!" -- LOL2

There are reasons why "New Age" is dangerous, beyond simple distraction. Also ways in which the Ancient of Days has his messengers engaged in His Univers.

168 posted on 08/08/2003 10:51:51 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: betty boop
Of course you are aware of the Akashic level of Edgar Cayce. How this would work is exactly the same as the field you are studying. Edgar Cayce, of course, was not a scientist, so wouldn't have developed the theory. Quantum entanglement and the hypothetical existence of extra dimensions, some of them curled back on themselves in a distance commensurate with the size of brain neurons, makes for some interesting possibilities.
180 posted on 08/08/2003 11:03:10 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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