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To: Delphinium
Well then you capsulize life too, much.

Zionism to my understanding is what some Jews learned from Hitler's tactics and choose to use for their own agenda.

If Jews were really people of God as they claim , how could they use unGodly means to achieve their goals.

As far as I know the only people God ever told the Jews to destroy were the Canaanites. As the Bible says Gods' people grew weary of war and quit the fight. God told them to never let the Canaanites live among them , because they would destroy them.

There are an evil people among us , whether they are Canaanites I can't say.

I am trying to understand , but when a select people have the power to have any discussion about them silenced , it makes me wonder who is who.

As far as I know the only difference between me and Jews , is my belief in Jesus Christ. That's something I don't have a problem with.

316 posted on 08/03/2003 3:26:42 PM PDT by Eustace
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To: Eustace; Jeff Head; HighRoadToChina
I don't think you should be kicked off of Free Republic for speaking freely, and I wish they would not pull posts, even if I might disagree. We are able to discuss this as a free people. It is a view that is out there, and needs to be discussed.

"some Jews learned from Hitler"

Do you really honestly believe it is mostly a Jewish conspiracy?

What do you mean by unGodly means to achieve their goals.?

Where in the Bible does it tell about?:

As far as I know the only people God ever told the Jews to destroy were the Canaanites. As the Bible says Gods' people grew weary of war and quit the fight. God told them to never let the Canaanites live among them , because they would destroy them.

when a select people have the power to have any discussion about them silenced , it makes me wonder who is who.

Who are you talking about? What select people?

As far as I know the only difference between me and Jews , is my belief in Jesus Christ.

Something I agree with you about. Doesn't the Bible say that God will unblind their eyes, and reveal to them that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior, their Messiah?

I don't have time to give you a Bible study, so I copied part of an article that I agreed with. I found it here:

http://wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29006

God the Father was the first Zionist. As the original landowner, He gave to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants the land of Israel forever. Consider the following Bible facts:

1. All other nations were created by an act of men; Israel was created by an act of God (Genesis 12:1-3)!

2. God Himself entered into an elaborate blood covenant (which was eternal and unconditional) with Abraham. In this covenant, God gave the Jews a biblical mandate to possess the land forever (Genesis 15:8-21).

3. The boundaries of Israel were registered in the Word of God (Genesis 15:18-21 and Ezekiel 47:13 through 48:1-29).

4. God has personally sworn to protect and defend the nation of Israel (Psalm 121:4 and Ezekiel 38:18-23).

5. God designed the flag of Israel and promised to gather the Jews back to the land under those colors (Isaiah 11:12).

6. Jehovah God promised that Israel would be re-created in a day (Isaiah 66:8). That became a reality on May 15, 1948 when the United Nations announced the formal recognition of the state of Israel.

7. God has chosen the nation of Israel and the Jewish people as His own inheritance (Psalm 33:12).

Is it not logical to state that since God created Israel, and defends Israel, that those who fight with Israel, fight with God?!

Replacement theologians teach that there is not one word in the New Testament that remotely suggests that Christians should support Israel. Wrong! Jesus Christ is our example and He personally taught us by His conduct that gentiles who support Israel have His special blessing.

In Luke, chapter seven, Jesus entered Capernaum where a certain Roman centurion (a gentile) had a servant that was about to die. When the centurion heard that Jesus was coming, he sent Jewish elders to Him, pleading for Jesus to come and heal the critically ill servant. Notice the logic the Jewish elders used with Jesus. They said, "And when they came to Jesus, they begged him earnestly, saying that the one (the centurion) was worthy, for he loves our nation (Israel) and has built us a synagogue. Then Jesus went with them ..." (Luke 7:4-6).

Does it make a difference if Christians bless the nation of Israel? The question must be asked: "Why did God select the house of Cornelius to be the first gentile house to hear the Gospel and to receive the outpouring of the Holy Spirit?" The clear answer is recorded in the book of Acts, chapter 10. The scriptural truth is this: Jesus went to the house of this gentile and healed the servant who was near death because this gentile had blessed the nation of Israel.

Cornelius also was a Roman centurion (a gentile), living in the coastal city of Caesarea who is described in the Scripture as "a devout man and one who feared God ... and who gave alms generously to the people." Which he controlled through the Roman Army. The Scripture repeats that the reason God selected the residence of Cornelius for this great spiritual blessing was because he blessed the Jewish people. Verse 31 records, "Cornelius, your prayer has been heard, and your alms are remembered in the sight of God" (Acts 10:31).

Is it really important that Christians bless the nation of Israel and the Jewish people? Jehovah God told Abraham that all anti-Semites are under His curse (Genesis 12:1-3). Jesus Christ announced that all anti-Semites will come under the judgment of God during the judgment of the nations (Matt 25:31-46).

Who are these hungry, naked, thirsty, sick, imprisoned strangers of Matthew, chapter 25? They are the Jewish people of history, not the church. Jesus clarifies this with:

"And the King will answer and say unto them. 'Assuredly, I say unto you, inasmuch as you did it unto the least of these my brethren [the Jews], you did it unto me.' Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matthew 25:40-41 and 46).

Is it important to be right on the Israel question? When you consider that being wrong brings you under the curse of God, it's important! Israel is not a "take it or leave it" subject. It is a life and death matter – eternal life! If you believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God, and those who reject its truths have entered into idolatry and rebellion; if you believe Jehovah God is the God of covenant whose integrity would make it impossible for Him to break covenant; if you believe that Jesus Christ is our example and that we are to follow Him, there is no biblical alternative but to support the nation of Israel and the Jewish people.
318 posted on 08/03/2003 8:06:30 PM PDT by Delphinium
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