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Today's Free Trade is not about the Free Market
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| 08/01/2003
| Jeff Head
Posted on 08/01/2003 2:05:33 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head; a_federalist; abner; aculeus; alaskanfan; alloysteel; Always Right; american spirit; ...
As America speeds along the 'Road to Serfdom.'
Great Article Jeff.
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posted on
08/01/2003 3:16:47 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
To: Willie Green
Actually, it optimizes profits for the ruling elite. It's flaw is that it treats labor as a mere commodity, with all the rights, privileges and political self-interest of a damn sugar-beet. Workers of the World, Unite!
82
posted on
08/01/2003 3:17:05 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: FITZ
That's the point; the third world types that control all the wealth aren't practicing capitalism. They get their wealth through free trade arrangements with suckers like us, keep the riches for themselves, and the masses never see it.
To: Texas_Dawg
So how do you suggest we win this war? During the 2000 campaign, GWB stated that his support for MFN status for China was dependent on their reducing their import tariffs by or to x percentage by 2005. He won't be in office then if he doesn't deal with with this now.
Considering the levels of unemployment being caused currently, and being projected in future years, it would be reasonable to demand that China immediately drop its import tariffs or lose MFN status. They won't. So a resonable response is to place a tariff on everything we import from China, and tax all money being transferred to China. At the same time, the income tax on American workers and businesses could be reduced (zero would be the Constitutionally correct amount) as the tariffs and duties replace the revenue.
The same could be done with India. Every dollar sent to foreign entities could be taxed. If the IRS can track the income of American workers, they can surely track and collect taxes on money going out of the country.
In any event, the revenue from income taxes will continue to decline as employment and personal income decline. If a displaced worker is lucky, he/she might be able to replace a 70k job with a 35k job, which for a family of four is almost down to the zero-tax level. And those with less income will be getting EIC (from your tax dollars, thank you).
84
posted on
08/01/2003 3:18:09 PM PDT
by
meadsjn
To: Texas_Dawg
Now you get it. Now you know why Marx advocated free trade.
To: editor-surveyor
As America speeds along the 'Road to Serfdom.' Huh? F.A. Hayak was 100% opposed to trade protectionism.
86
posted on
08/01/2003 3:18:30 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: Eva
You are of course right is calling me on using Nazi China. But the parallels between the two are astonishing similar:
1. Concentration camps vs. Laogai slave camps.
2. 6 million Jews exterimated vs. over 60 million Chinese and 1.2 million Tibetans killed.
3. Forced medical experimentation on Jews vs. forced organ harvesting on Laogai prisoners for Westerners who can pay $30,000 for an organ.
4. Greatest military buildup vs. today's Communist Chinese build up using our dollars.
The comparison goes on and on. So do forgive me if I should call my native land "Nazi China" because that is exactly what Communist China is, really, at least to me.
To: Cacophonous
Now you know why Marx advocated free trade. Let me guess... you got this idea from Willie's cute little quote. Did you read the entire text?
88
posted on
08/01/2003 3:19:28 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: Texas_Dawg
How about starting out with "are you in favor of straight talk about geopolitics with the PRC?" For example, how I wish someone would have the guts to tell them something like "hands off Taiwan and ASEAN" or "we know what you did to mess with our elections and we WILL take action." This is far short of nuking but would certainly depart from the sorts of kowtowing we see today by the Left and by the Red Team faction on the Right.
89
posted on
08/01/2003 3:20:41 PM PDT
by
GOP_1900AD
(Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
To: meadsjn
So a resonable response is to place a tariff on everything we import from China, and tax all money being transferred to China. Do you think by raising tariffs and taxes that obligates an American firm to do business here?
90
posted on
08/01/2003 3:21:15 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: Texas_Dawg
Use a little inference TD...it's right there. I gave you some conditionals as to when and why I would do it, and that I prayed to God that those conditions never arose If the conditionals don't apply, then the answer is obvious.
Your original question did not have the rather significant qualifiers you are now attaching to it. My response answers the question with or without qualifiers.
If today, August 1, 2003, the types of qualifiers I spoke of do not apply, then the anser is no.
To: belmont_mark
So is that a "No"?
92
posted on
08/01/2003 3:21:57 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: Texas_Dawg
"Maybe our citizens need to quit blaming politicians for all their problems and work a little harder if they aren't happy with their economic situation.The way I see it is at one time the government thought it was a good idea to sell out manufacturing jobs due to the newest, greatest "Information" industry that was upon us. Lots of people went to college to learn how to program computers and were making big dollars. Now THAT is being exported, my question is what is the next BIG thing to employee people? Healthcare?
To: HighRoadToChina
There may be many human rights issues that China has in common with the Nazis, but it spoils your premise of a soft economic war as opposed to a political cold war.
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posted on
08/01/2003 3:22:21 PM PDT
by
Eva
To: Jeff Head
Your original question did not have the rather significant qualifiers you are now attaching to it. It didn't need them. A very simple question. Your answer is "No". Thanks. That's all I was asking.
95
posted on
08/01/2003 3:22:50 PM PDT
by
Texas_Dawg
("...They came to hate their party and this president... They have finished by hating their country.")
To: Jeff Head
Lost interest before I found your point. You spent too long saying nothing.
96
posted on
08/01/2003 3:23:11 PM PDT
by
elfman2
To: Texas_Dawg
No I actually read Marx's views on the subjects. I like to know what the enemy is thinking.
I've also read Adam Smith on the subject, and he makes a lot more sense. And a smattering of a few other economists.
You should take the time to educate yourself. You might learn something. Probably not, but maybe.
To: Jeff Head
Thank you Jeff, although I fear it will be lost on many who consider themselves to be conservatism's staunchest supporters. Well, said.
To: Eva
You lost me there: " your premise of a soft economic war as opposed to a political cold war"
Please explain.
To: elfman2
Yet you took the time to respond...
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