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To: dirtboy
That I agree is not an accurate headline...

To me, this was the debate.

With the loss of manufacturing jobs, it might be irrelevant.

Training is very relevant with the loss of manufacturing jobs. It's the only hope the unemployed manufacturing worker has to gain meaningful employment. If there are not manufacturing jobs, then he has to change and grow... $3,000 will allow the process to begin.

Considering our floor has all of two admin assistants, and most people do all their own work nowadays, including travel arrangements, and Word does the work of desktop publishing nowadays, I think even that won’t accomplish much.

Right and wrong... the job still exists because of older management who will not do these things for themselves. To be competitive, it is important for the admin assistant to bring as much to the table as she can. In 20 years... the admin assistant will be a thing of the past. A dinosaur...

Kmart employee...

You are missing the point the argument... the point we agree on is that jobs are disappearing... the point you miss that these workers are going to have to change their skills if they want to gain employment... the only way they are going to do that is to be trained in another field... The training program the President spoke of will do this... or begin to do this...

652...did the economy grow. Yes, it grew by 2.4%. That's a fact. Did the government spending contribute to this growth... yes... we split this. Governemnt spending and adding employees to the role is not the answer.

679 posted on 08/01/2003 1:26:42 PM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: dirtboy
You are always fun to talk to... you bring a great amount of passion to any thread you are on...

I have to leave for the evening... I hope you have a great weekend.

680 posted on 08/01/2003 1:28:50 PM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: carton253
To me, this was the debate.

My debate was in whether Bush's comments addressed the core problems of getting folks back into jobs - and he failed, IMO, with the key point.

Training is very relevant with the loss of manufacturing jobs. It's the only hope the unemployed manufacturing worker has to gain meaningful employment.

You can train employees until the cows come home, but when someone with no labor or environmental protections in the Far East can make widgets for $1.20/hour, that isn't going to help much.

In 20 years... the admin assistant will be a thing of the past. A dinosaur...

Unless Louis Freeh is still working by then, since he won't use a computer.

the point you miss that these workers are going to have to change their skills if they want to gain employment... the only way they are going to do that is to be trained in another field... The training program the President spoke of will do this... or begin to do this...

I don't think there's anything wrong with training, in fact it's needed. But IMO it's not the core problem here - we have a lot of very highly trained people who cannot find work nowadays.

Did the government spending contribute to this growth... yes... we split this. Governemnt spending and adding employees to the role is not the answer.

We're in agreement there.

681 posted on 08/01/2003 1:32:59 PM PDT by dirtboy (Who's that big cat I saw roaming around here again? I thought he went extinct...)
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