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Frank Miller's Batman DID kick Superman's butt. BTW, has anybody else noticed that for a guy with unlimited strength and who is invulnerable, that Superman gets his @ss kicked more than Walter Mondale? I mean, that guy would lose a fight with Archie.

The only Super hero that gets his @ss kicked more than Superman is Daredevil.

When I was a kid and young teenager, that is what turned me to Marvel. Here is Superman as you said - unlimited strength, can never tire, invulnerable - virtually a god among men. Yet, he can barely beat guys like Luthor, the Toyman, the Prankster, et al. Than I got hook onto Marvel. The Fantastic Four fighting Galactus - a being who sucks the life force from planets to survive. Thor battling Hercules or the Absorbing Man - someone who can take on the properties of his Mjoiner. Marvel - in the 60's - introduced what I considered three aspects that revolutionized comics. One - heroes fought villians that were as powerful or more so than they. Two - the social and private lifes of the heroes took a front seat. It's great beating up bad guys but hey - the rent is due and where am I going to get the money? My love life sucks cause I dig Liz, Betty Bryant, Gwen Stacy, and that new chick Mary Jane Parker but I'm such a loser around women that I don't know what to say. That was great stuff! And a third thing which I believe is always overlooked is that not only did the heroes have secret identities but so did the villian. The Green Goblin was secretly respected businesman Norman Osborne. Fisk was the crime overlord Kingpin. No one knew what Dr. Doom or the Red Skull looked like. I loved that stuff and could read it again and again.