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To: staytrue
It is not a ponzi scheme. It is a scheme that works well for one generation, the generation that does not pay in but gets something back. After that, as long as the population increases, it is a good deal, but not a free lunch like the 1st generation. Of course, eventually, the population stops increasing, then there is no free lunch and the program starts looking pretty unattractive.

That's pretty much the definition of a Ponzi scheme. About the only difference is that the Government doesn't even pretend to invest in anything. They just count on being able to take enough taxes from this generation of workers to pay the last. From http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues98/dec98/ponzi.html:

[Charles] Ponzi claimed to have found a way to profit by speculating in international postal reply coupons — a form of prepaid return postage for use in foreign correspondence. After he had paid off his first round of investors, Darby relates, he scarcely had to repeat his story. All that anyone cared about was that he paid 50 percent interest in 90 days. Later, he shortened the investment period to 45 days.

In no time, the money was rolling in. "At the height of his success, Ponzi had offices from Maine to New Jersey." The problem, Darby explains, was that there was no actual investment going on; the only activity was the shuffling of money from new investors to old ones. This kind of swindle, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, is also known as a pyramid scheme or — since 1920 — a Ponzi scheme.

"Half-a-dozen banks crashed in the aftermath of Ponzi's fall," reports Darby, who is currently working on a screenplay about the charming con artist. "His note holders received less than 30 cents on the dollar." But, she asks, was Ponzi's proposition, which snared nearly 40,000 would-be millionaires, "any more absurd than the promise of a $59,000 loan in exchange for $20 sent to a post office in Las Vegas?" Pitches like this one, says Darby, are now popping up on the Internet, and as long as people are more worried about their profits than their principal, Ponzi schemes will continue to part fools and their money.

23 posted on 07/31/2003 7:39:51 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Paranoia is when you realize that tin foil hats just focus the mind control beams.)
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To: KarlInOhio
A ponzi scheme fails because each generation wants more than they paid in and wants the return to be within a few years. This leads to eventual collapse.

The social security system differs in that most people can get out what they paid in except for the first generation who get the free lunch and the last generation who get screwed. The beauty of social security is that presumably there will be no last generation and if there is, the last thing they will care about is getting a ss check.

With a ponzi scheme, the last generation shows up wanting money and the thing fails. With social security, (and the national debt), there is no last generation. Hence, you can get 1 free lunch for the first generation.
24 posted on 07/31/2003 7:49:30 AM PDT by staytrue
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