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To: Windsong
“You are more lost than I originally thought. Don't tell me..lemme guess. You also "speak in tongues"?”

No, that’s not my gift. And I don’t have to sit around the house every night wondering if I did enough that day to get saved!

“And you don't consider your own twisted logic to be slightly cult-oriented? Such as rolling on the floor uttering gibberish, snake handling, faith healings (i.e. Benny Hinn), etc? You are indistinguishable from these groups in that you do not DO what Christ wants.”

Us Southern Baptists are not Benny Hinn and we are quite comfortable in knowing the real Gospel Message and what “Christ wants us to do”. Now most of us are NOT able to “do what Christ wants” all the time, but we don’t lose our Salvation when we screw up. We just repent and go on!

“Once saved always saved is a corrupt doctrine..and not scripturally based.”

OK, answer me this. Give me one example in Scripture where Jesus or His Disciples “Saved” someone more than once. If we lose our Salvation every day then we must have to get “Re-Saved” every day. Where is that done? Give me one example! There must be one example where Jesus said: "Simon, you screwed up today, come over here and get Re-Saved".................

118 posted on 08/10/2003 11:44:28 AM PDT by TRY ONE (")
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To: TRY ONE
No, that’s not my gift. And I don’t have to sit around the house every night wondering if I did enough that day to get saved

Neither do I. You can never "do enough" to get saved. But you DO have to exercise obediance to Him, otherwise you are just another run-of-the-mill lukewarm CINO (Christian in Name Only).

Us Southern Baptists are not Benny Hinn and we are quite comfortable in knowing the real Gospel Message and what “Christ wants us to do”. Now most of us are NOT able to “do what Christ wants” all the time, but we don’t lose our Salvation when we screw up. We just repent and go on!

Whoa..the truth comes out. The Southern Baptists are a man-made DENOMINATION. But that at least explains your beliefs. And incidentally, I never claimed (as the Catholics do) that baptism is a cure-all.

OK, answer me this. Give me one example in Scripture where Jesus or His Disciples “Saved” someone more than once. If we lose our Salvation every day then we must have to get “Re-Saved” every day. Where is that done?

First off, one needs to "repent" when they fall off the wagon, not get "re-baptized". There are no indications whereby one needs to get baptized twice, unless it was perhaps performed as a baby (i.e. Catholicism...another cult), or unless they didn't choose to engage in it of their own accord (i.e. pressured or forced to). Christians in the 1st Century were baptized once, not many times, as you seem to accuse me of advocating. Try again.

Obedience to God's commandments is part of the salvic process. This means obedience to all commandments, to the best of your capacity, as I have been saying all along. Perfect obedience is never going to happen - but that's not what we're asked to do. On the other hand, blatant and deliberate refusal to obey Divine commandments (which is what you keep preaching), is certainly going to earn you the wages of sin. You're a classic example of someone who's using the Bible to justify living as they please. It's disgusting. Christ was emphasizing that those who do not have a covenant relationship with him are without hope. Look at the context. Those "in Christ" are those who have been baptized into Christ, Paul tells us. Those who "remain in him" are those who obey his commandments'.

James says, "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified and not by faith only" James 2:24. The Greek word is "dikiioo" and is also translated in one place as "freed". It is certainly not "by works of our own doing (Titus 3:5) that we are saved but by the mercy of God. We can't save ourselves.

God is the justifer. Justification is to be made free. Salvation frees us from sin (1 Peter 1:22-23). It grants us the potential for eternal life; "But now being made free from sin and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end eternal life." Romans 6:22

In view of the whole matter of justification and salvation I would be hard pressed to prove they were not synonymous. If you have something to add, say on.

119 posted on 08/11/2003 8:17:13 AM PDT by Windsong
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