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To: TRY ONE
"WHY DID CHRIST DIE ON THE CROSS? Jesus went whrough a lot of stuff for no good reason! In your belief, it was a totally unnecessary thing --- Baptism and Good Works (and maybe other stuff) are the requirements for Salvation"

It really does pay to read my posts in their entirety. I never said that baptism alone was sufficient for salvation. And you never answered MY inquiry..namely whether or not repentence was necessary. You answer my question, and I will do the same.

"I sleep like a baby every night knowing where I'm going!"

So do Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses!

Are Mormons saved? They believe the Bible is in error. And JHs? They don't believe Jesus is God. What about other groups? DO you think that simply because you BEEEEEELIEVE...that that is sufficient? That you can do whatever the hail mary you want and still enter Heaven? No sir. THAT, is blasphemy.

Don't repent. Don't get baptized. Don't change. Keep sinning all you want. As long as you believe, you can get as drunk as you want, shoot up as many drugs as you want, and engage in as much adultery as you want. Just BEEEEEELIEVE!

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

115 posted on 08/09/2003 5:22:57 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: Windsong
"And you never answered MY inquiry..namely whether or not repentence was necessary."

Yes, I previously stated that it was necessary as follows.....Repentance is incorporated in the process of "Believing" in that one must "repent" (turns away from) of his sins (past, present and future) in order to accept that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the Cross for us. And that His atoning death on the cross and Resurrection is propitiation (payment) for our sins. Then one has Salvation without Baptism and without doing good works. It's called Grace --- God's saving Grace. After that point, if one sins, does one lose his Salvation? NO! But until one confesses that sin, one will lose Fellowship with God.

Windsong it sounds like you're hung up on losing our Salvation once we have it, i.e. the doctrine of Eternal Security. Right? If so that's a different issue. But I also believe that once Saved always Saved. Under Grace, we do nothing (in terms of works) to gain our Salvation; therefore, we can do nothing to lose it.

That's why I said I sleep like a baby at night knowing that I have Eternal Security.

You said: "So do Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses!"
Not really, these cults work like a beaver every day trying to get to Heaven. They do not recognize Jesus Christ's Saving Grace. It's all good works for them and they never know where they stand!

You say: "Don't repent. Don't get baptized. Don't change. Keep sinning all you want. As long as you believe, you can get as drunk as you want...."

I know many Christians who have done that --- fallen off the Christian Wagon so to speak. I believe they are still Saved (if they were to begin with) but they are in serious trouble with God now and once they get to Heaven. They will not receive the Blessings/Rewards now or in eternity.

"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions" for those whose intentions were to Believe in Christ and accept His Atoning Death and Resurrection on the Cross....and they failed to do so!


116 posted on 08/09/2003 2:06:56 PM PDT by TRY ONE (")
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