International Kangaroo Court

FRONTPAGE Magazine.com ^ | 7/30/03 | John Perazzo

[knighthawk]

Because he understands that the ICC would likely be used as a political and public relations battering ram by a host of anti-American accusers, President Bush has chosen, unlike Tony Blair, not to make his country a signatory to the organization. This has exempted American officials from prosecution. Bush’s intent is to protect Americans against politically motivated lawsuits such as one recently filed by “human rights” attorneys in a Belgian court against General Tommy Franks and a colonel in the U.S. Marines for their roles in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

No more UN for US-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

[silverdog]

The ICC is a travesty. I seem to recall that the day it came into 'real' existence, a group of British peaceniks appeared before a magistrate in England attempting to obtain an arrest warrant for Henry Kissinger for 'war crimes' involving the invasion of Cambodia during the Vietnam Era. The sensible magistrate sent them away citing lack of jurisdiction. The key here is going to be not which group of idiots attempts to initiate prosecutions, but which cases are accepted by the ICC as valid. We'll see soon enough.

[dennisw]

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[A_perfect_lady]

The very next Democratic president we have, no matter who it is, will sign that paper within a week of inauguration. You watch. This country is doomed if we don't take back our schools and universities, and teach even our lefties that they need to be Americans first and not "global citizens."

[sgtbono2002]

Youre right Tony. The Dems will sign on to this in a minute. God help us when they do, It will be another piece of our sovereignty down the drain.

[bets]

International Courts abound:

International Court of Arbitration for the International Chamber of Commerce (of which a large # of our beloved US companies are members - in addition to companies from about 140 countries)

International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea

International Court of Justice which mysteriously seems to have the same docket at the ICC

[Evil Inc]

The idea of global citizen is frightening. Why would we join a group that doesnt share our ideals and principles? We would grant some sort of equality to tyrants and failures. In the case of tyranys, one despot would wield as much power as an entire nation of progressives. Or worse in a democracy places like China and India would become dominant and "lead".Ohmygoditsscary

[bets]

You are already a global citizen. You're probably in the International Labour Organization's (the ILO, a UN monster) database. They have a:
1. International Social Security database, and an
2. International Primary database (comprised from about 102 countries)

Then there's the international database from your insurance info - from the International Organization of insurers (and they all share your data - how nice).

Then there's the new (June 2003) International Seafare's ID card - it's required for anyone anywhere working as a seafarer. Once issued, it will be BIOMETRIC, with the worker's digitized picture and a digitized fingerprint.

The global citizenry has begun, and the US isn't fighting it as much as you're led to believe. Guess who was behind the push for the biometric international Seafarer's card?....The US! (and I can prove it)

[A_perfect_lady]

Imagine the long term implications. First, our all-volunteer military would start shrinking FAST when kids realized that they could end up in some foreign prison simply for doing their jobs. As our military shrinks, our power to deal with nuclear blackmail (like from North Korea) would vanish, as well as any chance of preventing other countries from developing into nuclear powers intent upon blackmail. Imagine Iran, North Korea, Libya, et al, ALL demanding massive foreign aid.

Meanwhile, said Dem Prez has signed the Kyoto Treaty as well and our electric bills double. Our economy falls further, and of course, they raise our taxes to pay for more social programs to "jumpstart" the economy. You know, tax our way to prosperity. Our country falls into a recession, then into a depression. A few more Al Qaeda attacks and we'll be in worse shape than Mexico.

When the rioting starts, the Dem Prez asks the UN to come in because our own decimated military can't handle the problem. The UN is given jurisdiction over the US and the precedent is set for the UN Charter to outrank the Constitution. And that's it. America is done. It could be accomplished in one four year term.

[MissAmericanPie]

"ICC’s job is to prosecute individuals involved in the aforementioned offenses — particularly when their own nations’ courts are unable or unwilling to do so.

I would be alot more proud of Bush if he had protected more than elected officials and the military from this court. As it stands individual American average joes, may still be at risk from this kangaroo court. There has been no mention by any political body that American citizens are immune from this court. Anyone who thinks this court will not further it's power to cover hate crimes, such as Christian preachers offending the sensibilities of sinners, hasn't learned much.

[Noachian]

Bush did the right thing by keeping the US out of the ICC although a future liberal/Democrat president may reverse him. Also, there are unelected SCOTUS Justices who are sympathetic to an international court system.

Will rulings from the ICC stand as precedents for liberal SCOTUS justices, and find their way into American law ? It seems that the American Constitution itself doesn't provide enough latitude for some liberal justices.

[bets]

...Anyone who thinks this court will not further it's power to cover hate crimes, such as Christian preachers offending the sensibilities of sinners, hasn't learned much.

Check out FR Post from today:
Ethnic Intimidation because in PA they already nullified the Constitutional right to freedom of religion and speech w/House Bill 1493 passed 12/02, making preaching anti-homesexual scriptures illegal.

[bets]

I heard on a mainstream news report (back when the US rejected participation) that the UN's cool reaction was this: Fine, you can be on probation for 1 year, but then after that YOU MUST participate. There is no option to reject it after the 1 yr "probation." Enrollment will just automatically happen.

Did anyone else hear that? I tend to believe it.

Has anyone heard of the international courts I listed in the above post? Seriously, we're already participating in international tribunals.

[expatguy]

In 1776, our founding fathers when severing our ties with England and King George III, listed among their grievances:


"He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation."

"For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

"For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

"For abolishing the free System of English Laws … establishing therein an Arbitrary government.

"For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:"

Amazing how history seems to always repeat itself.

[sport]

Bump

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...As we have seen many times in recent decades, the U.S. is both willing and able to prosecute American wrongdoers even in the very highest positions of power...

With one horribly notable exception.
The wife of that exception will sign us up when she gets in.
Socialist murderers have nothing to fear from the Kangaroo court.

[bets]

Why is there a US Judge on the International Court of Justice?:

Present composition of the Court

President
Shi Jiuyong (China)

Vice-President
Raymond Ranjeva (Madagascar)

Judges

Gilbert Guillaume (France)

Abdul G. Koroma (Sierra Leone)

Vladlen S. Vereshchetin (Russian Federation)

Rosalyn Higgins (United Kingdom)

Gonzalo Parra-Aranguren (Venezuela)

Pieter H. Kooijmans (Netherlands)

Francisco Rezek (Brazil)

Awn Shawkat Al-Khasawneh (Jordan)

Thomas Buergenthal (United States of America)

Nabil Elaraby (Egypt)

Hisashi Owada (Japan)

Bruno Simma (Germany)

Peter Tomka (Slovakia)

Registrar

Mr. Philippe Couvreur (Belgium)