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It's India calling for US white collar exodus
Economic Times of India ^
| July 30, 2003
| DEBJIT CHAKRABORTY
Posted on 07/30/2003 2:20:00 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: BA63; harpseal; Sunnyvale CA Eng.; clamper1797; sarcasm; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; ...
While, Wipro's Vivek Paul notes that American workers might resent the "offshoring" trend, but all Americans will benefit in the long run.Isn't this like pissing on your back and telling you it's raining?
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BA63, AH-YUP! Peace and love, George.
To: FITZ
No ---for that they import millions of unskilled illiterate people from the third world who will do it for less than minimum wage and ask for no health insurance benefits so the taxpayer must subsidize them with free medical care and food stamps. Free trade with third world countries and massive illegal immigration, the results are there for everyone to see.
Five more years of these policies and I can expect to spend the rest of my life living under a democratic regime, that's who the unemployed and poor are going to vote for. Now that is tyranny and repression.
To: Question_Assumptions
Other than my computer, I don't live any different than people did back then. Maybe I use CD's instead of 8 track tapes. I don't have cell phones, cable tv or most of the stuff you mention ---but partly because I like living in the black like people did more back then.
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posted on
07/30/2003 9:36:26 AM PDT
by
FITZ
To: Question_Assumptions
I'm not so sure you're right ----the 70s weren't hard times ---you could buy gas for $0.30 a gallon, a new car for $3000-6000, an apartment for $150 a month, owning a vacation home or cottage was common for the average peron, and if you had a high school diploma, you could work in a factory and make $15 an hour. Wages for many people are right where they were back then or even lower.
84
posted on
07/30/2003 9:40:48 AM PDT
by
FITZ
To: Poohbah
Charge cards and credit have been the downfall of America. We spend way over what we earn.
85
posted on
07/30/2003 10:02:19 AM PDT
by
Marysecretary
(GOD is still in control!)
To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Isn't this like pissing on your back and telling you it's raining?I actually consider it more insulting along the lines of "...Shut up and enjoy it you know this rape is good for you."
86
posted on
07/30/2003 10:08:15 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: Lazamataz
I think the term "free traitor" is unnecessarily loaded and harsh. I think the more accurate term is "unequal traders", and we can call free trade "unequal trade". After all, that's what it is.Well I will agree the term "Free Traitor is loaded and very harsh. The ineccisarily loaded part I believe is very debatable. Now I prefer to usually refer to them as those who argue for the current tarde envirornment which is anything but Free Trade no matter what they call it. But the ratuional for free traitors is as follows. China has stated tehy are engaged in economic warfare against the USA. Those who support the current trade envirornment and call it Free Trade are not only lying they are giving direct support to a nation that freely admits to being at war with the USA. Benedict Arnold merely gave information to teh British in return for maney and a better job. Many of those who syupport so called Free Trade routinely admit their motivation is financial. Where is the difference between General arnold and those people?
However, I shall try to restrain myself from using teh term "Free Traitor" a whole lot.
87
posted on
07/30/2003 10:23:09 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: harpseal
However, I shall try to restrain myself from using teh term "Free Traitor" a whole lot. You may but I won't ... anyway thanks for posting to Go-ordinance for me yesterday ... I did get my boat and it may not be as broke as I originally thought
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posted on
07/30/2003 11:00:57 AM PDT
by
clamper1797
(Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
To: Jeff Head
Jeff,
Replying to your post #31.
I don't know you, but, if you write a book, I am going to buy it!
BA63
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posted on
07/30/2003 11:04:29 AM PDT
by
BA63
To: Poohbah
YOU sir are correct! Funny how people are SOOOOOO concerned about their "image" of a career...and live paycheck to paycheck.
90
posted on
07/30/2003 11:17:26 AM PDT
by
antivenom
(BEING OFFENDED means never having to answer an argument)
To: clamper1797
Glad to help. I did not invent the term Free Traitor and if can persuade more people without using it so be it. I said I would try to refrain from using it a whole lot not that I woud totally abjure using it.
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posted on
07/30/2003 11:26:05 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: Jeff Head
The people, the companies will govern themselves as to moral issues when this is the case. But, when the moral issues are removed, you do not have what was intended for the Constitution, and you do not have a true free market. Yes, what we have under the current so-called leadership in Washington is Corporate Welfarism. Our government through foreign lobbying and the enactment of 10,000+ page Insider Trade Deals has given corporations (especially big party contributors) free reign to ship American Jobs overseas with impunity. They can even replace American Workers here with Foreigners under L1 and H1B visas!
Who picks up the tab for social costs when millions of Americans lose their Jobs? The American Taxpayer of course! This is all about Gov/Biz Cronyism and like you so eloquently pointed out itit has virtually nothing to do with free trade.
The bottom line of the treasonous trade policies our government has put forth is that it enriches and rewards repressive regimes where freedom does not exist while destroying Americas wealth, culture and system of governance.
With leaders in Washington like this who needs enemies?
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posted on
07/30/2003 11:48:22 AM PDT
by
WRhine
To: Reaganwuzthebest
Five more years of these policies and I can expect to spend the rest of my life living under a democratic regime, that's who the unemployed and poor are going to vote for. Now that is tyranny and repression. That's exactly what is going to happen.
93
posted on
07/30/2003 11:52:18 AM PDT
by
WRhine
To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
"While, Wipro's Vivek Paul notes that American workers might resent the "offshoring" trend, but all Americans will benefit in the long run."
Isn't this like pissing on your back and telling you it's raining?
LOL. Perfect Analogy.
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posted on
07/30/2003 11:55:24 AM PDT
by
WRhine
To: FITZ
The '70s didn't feel like hard times at the time but they would today for many people. My grandparents had a vacation home during the WW2 period but that didn't mean that that era would feel easy by today's standards, either. In some cases, people simply choose to spend money on the extras (e.g., extra televisions, cable, cell phones, air conditioning, etc.) and sometimes they have no choice but to pay for extras (e.g., all of the extra things that cars must now have for safety and polution control).
I remember my childhood in the 1970s pretty well. I remember cars without air conditioners, houses without air conditioners, one television set per house (receiving broadcast stations), one telephone in the kitchen, no personal computers, no video games, expensive long distance calls, cars with AM radios, fast food and prepared meals as a rarity, no day care, no expensive skateboards or competition quality bicycles, sneakers from Keds or K-Mart, etc., etc., etc. We simply have a lot more stuff now than we did now. Was my childhood rough? Of course not. That was middle-class suburbia in New Jersey and I was fine.
I know people who don't have cable to satellite television, have old clunky computers, old cars without A/C, who don't eat out, use day care, by fancy name-brand clothes, etc. You can still live pretty frugally if you want to but most people don't want to.
The only thing I will agree with you on is real estate. It simply isn't possible to find a cheap place to live. And if I had to guess (I haven't seen the figures), I'd say that the percentage of income that people spend on real estate and taxes is a large part of what has gone up and food, basic clothing, etc. as a percentage of a person's income probably hasn't increased all that much or may have gone down. Part of the problem is that real estate prices are now pegged for double-income families, something that was only starting to be felt in the 1970s.
To: BA63
To: BlazingArizona
Hell, that's nothing. Once I did business in California.
...and you lived?
To: Jeff Head
Forgive my ignorance, I had no idea you are writing a series. I checked out the link, impressive. All I was trying to do was compliment you on your exquisite response in this thread I certainly didn't realize you were an author.
However, I am a man of my word, I will purchase Breath of Fire to get started unless you have a better suggestion.
Question: how would I get you to sign a copy of the book for me?
BA63
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posted on
07/30/2003 2:04:27 PM PDT
by
BA63
To: thoughtomator
I wish someone could explain how this benefits Americans. You may be behind the power curve. Once personal investments have achieved a level [that varies from person to person,] further success in business is greeted warmly, not with consternation. Some of the collar jobs, white or blue, are already gone, but those who have invested wisely and not borrowed up to the hilt for SUVs, houses, things for the house are in good positions. Instant gratification by possession of symbols of affluence is not affluence. A big-wheel pickup truck in the hands of a college student is not a party aid, but an economic anchor. Our Federal debt is over $6 trillion, our personal debt is at least that much. We'll be forced, often by early choices, to work for the rest of our lives just to get back to even, and that is why disappearing jobs seems so serious.
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posted on
07/30/2003 2:15:36 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: BA63
You have fremail...but please, don't feel compelled or duty-bound to get the books. Get them because they look interesting and like something you would enjoy reading and telling other people about.
Best Fregards.
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