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Illegal immigrants press for college financial aid
Chicago Sun Times ^ | July 28, 2003 | DAVE NEWBART

Posted on 07/28/2003 8:24:37 PM PDT by new cruelty

Diana Mora, 18, of Chicago, would love to attend Northwestern because it's a "really great school'' with "really good prestige.'' Martha, 20, of Chicago, earned high grades at Roosevelt High School in hopes of attending the elite university in Evanston.

But even though both graduated at the top of their respective classes and both were accepted for admission at NU, neither can attend.

That's because as illegal immigrants from Mexico, they are not eligible for financial aid--either from the government or Northwestern. At $37,338 for a year of tuition and room and board, they said not getting aid is just like not getting accepted at all--there is no way they can afford to go.

"We should have the opportunity to be able to go to the top universities,'' said Martha, who asked that her full name not be used. "A lot of people think Hispanics can't do it. We can do it. We just don't have the resources. I don't think it's fair."

But an Uptown-based community group is hoping to change that. The Organization of the NorthEast is lobbying a handful of local private universities to do more to help illegal students attend their campuses.

Emboldened by the passage of a recent law allowing illegal, longtime Illinois residents who graduate from state high schools to pay in-state tuition, they say there is nothing stopping schools like Northwestern from providing their own funds to help the students. Under current law, the students are ineligible for federal or state aid.

In response to the group's effort, Loyola University created a task force to recommend ways to assist illegal students, although the school has not committed to any action.

If Northwestern--one of the nation's top schools--took action, it "could set a trend'' for other private schools, said Joyce Ramirez-Knight, co-chair of the immigration strategy team for the organization.

But Northwestern has rejected calls to change its policy of only offering aid to U.S. citizens or permanent residents.

NU officials say the school only offers full scholarships to athletes. All other aid is need-based, and is typically a combination of federal and state money in addition to aid directly from Northwestern.

Because NU would have to provide all the funds itself, providing aid to illegal students would drain NU's $51 million aid budget more quickly than giving aid to low-income students who are legal residents, NU officials said.

Such aid "is much more expensive and deprives others of resources,'' NU President Henry Bienen said in a letter to the group late last month. Bienen also said there could be legal problems with "selectively limiting assistance to any particular group of noncitizens.''

Bienen was unavailable for comment Friday, but NU spokesman Al Cubbage said the school doesn't see how it could offer scholarships to Mexican citizens who live in the Chicago area over Mexican citizens who live in Mexico.

But Ramirez-Knight ridiculed the school's assertion that the aid was too costly, considering the school's $3.3 billion endowment was the 15th largest in the country in 2002.

She also said there is a difference between students like Mora and Martha and international students who have no plans to stay in the States. The women have lived here for years, their families are here and they attended local elementary and high schools. They are simply caught in the process of trying to become citizens, which can take between seven and 21 years.

"They know no other country,'' she said.


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To: new cruelty
Unfuckingbelievable.


ALL Illegals OUT of the US!
41 posted on 07/28/2003 9:02:36 PM PDT by BeerSwillr
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Doesn't this p!$$ off all the immigrants who are here legally and went the extra mile to become legal citizens?

Nah, it doesn't bother us at all...

42 posted on 07/28/2003 9:02:44 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Who are you tryin' to get crazy with, ese? Don't you know I'm loco?)
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To: new cruelty
My daughter had wanted to go to Northwestern University. Her grandfather graduated from there; but, we could not afford Northwestern. Where do we get to go and whine?
43 posted on 07/28/2003 9:03:06 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz
Mexico? (not likely)
44 posted on 07/28/2003 9:03:50 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Hey, if I do something illegal, can I get college financial aid, or pay reduced fees?

Apparently so.

45 posted on 07/28/2003 9:04:40 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: new cruelty
"But Northwestern has rejected calls to change its policy of only offering aid to U.S. citizens or permanent residents......Because NU would have to provide all the funds itself..."

Now if the funds were coming out of the hides of Illinois taxpayers or US taxpayers, then Northwestern would be all in favor of tuition grants for illegal aliens.

I am always amazed (not) by how conservative liberals can be when it comes their OWN money.

46 posted on 07/28/2003 9:04:56 PM PDT by eeman
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To: RoughDobermann
Nah, it doesn't bother us at all...

Keep in mind that I attended the Lazamataz School of Freeping...

"Proudly posting without reading the entrie thread since 1999."

47 posted on 07/28/2003 9:05:52 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
LOL!
48 posted on 07/28/2003 9:06:49 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Who are you tryin' to get crazy with, ese? Don't you know I'm loco?)
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To: RoughDobermann
Of course, entrie = entire.
49 posted on 07/28/2003 9:06:59 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: RoughDobermann
the school's $3.3 billion endowment was the 15th largest in the country in 2002.

When we were researching schools (three years back) for my eldest daughter, I found a book at Barnes and Noble which listed all the universities and the particulars about how to apply, etc.

My daughter was already expressing an interest in Northwestern so I turned to that page. I remember reading there that Northwestern is not a school that gives out much in the way of financial aid scholarships. From then on, I had to start trying to educate my daughter to the reality of our financial situation and that we simply were not going to be able to afford Northwestern.

50 posted on 07/28/2003 9:07:39 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Conservababe
"How about putting American students first?"

You sure came up with a radical idea--but I love the sound of it!

Of course an illegal alien should NOT have the same benefits as someone who is an actual citizen. Why is that so incomprehensible? I would not be surprised if she has already benefitted from free education, free school lunches, free food stamps, and/or free medical care, etc. It's this kind of mentality that is contributing to California going down the tubes economically.

Another poster stated that she wanted to go to the same school, too, but her parents could not afford it, so she went to a state university. I couldn't afford to go to anything other than a state university either, and I had to live at home while I went. That's life. And if I had to choose whether to provide a scholarship to an American citizen or an illegal alien, the citizen would win hands down.

That's my rant for the evening.
51 posted on 07/28/2003 9:08:59 PM PDT by KittyKares
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To: LibertarianLiz
From then on, I had to start trying to educate my daughter to the reality of our financial situation and that we simply were not going to be able to afford Northwestern

But, but, THAT'S NOT FAIR!

52 posted on 07/28/2003 9:09:13 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Who are you tryin' to get crazy with, ese? Don't you know I'm loco?)
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To: BeerSwillr
I couldn't have said it better.

You all best keep your noses clean, buckle those seat belts, pay those parking fines, and don't be late on those taxes, as all of our traitorous leaders and politicos wink and nod at this epic nationwide lawlessness, chaos and fraud, created by millions of illegals, that just happen to be on their way to a home town near you...... Wink wink!

53 posted on 07/28/2003 9:09:19 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: Conservababe
How about putting American students first?

Isn't that kind of racist?

54 posted on 07/28/2003 9:10:06 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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I have a better idea, Diana. Why don't you and your friends get the he11 out of our country.
55 posted on 07/28/2003 9:12:49 PM PDT by Norse
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To: Joe Hadenuf
How about putting American students first? Isn't that kind of racist?

Yes, it is considered racist to persons who consider themselves citizens of the world, I suppose.

56 posted on 07/28/2003 9:18:46 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: new cruelty
"We should have the opportunity to be able to go to the top universities,'' said Martha, who asked that her full name not be used. "A lot of people think Hispanics can't do it. We can do it. We just don't have the resources. I don't think it's fair."

Who said life was fair??

57 posted on 07/28/2003 9:22:33 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: new cruelty; MeeknMing







58 posted on 07/28/2003 9:27:50 PM PDT by autoresponder (PETA TERRORISTS .wav file: BRUCE FRIEDRICH: http://tinyurl.com/hjhd)
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To: Mo1
Who said life was fair??

Liberals say life should be fair.

Gephardt refer to those who have educated themselves, taken risks, worked hard and saved their hard earned money as those who "have won life's lottery".

59 posted on 07/28/2003 9:40:47 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: Conservababe
What was the name of that movie about Reality??
60 posted on 07/28/2003 9:47:02 PM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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