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To: raybbr
The trade deficit is pretty much a red herring used by protectionists. Most economists recognize that the trade deficit is a meaningless number today. There are several reasons, but I'll just give you a few:

(1) It doesn't measure the vast majority of serices, mostly goods. The service sector in the trade deficit is something like 16 percent. The service sector in our economy is about 75 percent. So we are exporting a lot of services that don't get accounted for. Everything from software, engineering and accounting services, medical treatments, on and on. So virtually no one who is informed thinks the real trade deficit is really anywhere near $500 billion. For most of the last few decades it's likely been positive if services were accounted for.

(2). The numbers aren't real. Just for example, how many eBay dealers ship stuff overseas and report the real value? Yet the numbers on those forms are what's used to calculate the deficit. For the most part, the numbers are fiction.

(3) The real issue is cash transfers. If we are importing more goods than we export, but foreigners are investing the profits and more back here by buying our stocks and bonds, that's a net positive for us in terms of cash flow. Cash transfers have been down over the past few years, but we remain the safest investment in the world. A lot of that confidence would get shaken if we started imposing trade barriers.

(4) Trade is not an equal sum game. Say you have lemons and I have eggs. If we trade we can both make lemon meringue pie. That's a new gain for both of us. If we restrict trade, we only limit our choices. Compound that by thousands of products over hundreds of countries and $500 billion (even if it were real, which it is not) is a spit in the bucket compared to the economic value of expanded trade on our standard of living.

There are quite a few other reasons for supporting free trade, including the need for global competition for American companies, and the avoidance of trade wars. The bottom line is that trade barriers are an artificial constraint on the economy. They are worse than taxes in many respects, and should be avoided at all costs. Educated and responsible economists have known this for several decades and for the most part the political class should be lauded for standing up to the political pressure from special interests that seek to skew the game in their favor at the expense of America's standard of living.

159 posted on 08/01/2003 7:46:49 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: massadvj
Everything from software, engineering and accounting services, medical treatments, on and on. So virtually no one who is informed thinks the real trade deficit is really anywhere near $500 billion. For most of the last few decades it's likely been positive if services were accounted for.

Who benefits from this. Certainly not the average American worker. It all goes to the corporation and their leaders siphon it off for their own.

If we are importing more goods than we export, but foreigners are investing the profits and more back here by buying our stocks and bonds, that's a net positive for us in terms of cash flow.

Where does the profit from those stocks and bonds go. To the foreign country. Once again the money in this situation is directed right back to the corporation leaders.

BTW you have not answered my question. All you have tried to do is convince me that trade deficits a) don't exist and b) even if they did exist they would still be good for us.

I totally disagree on both points.

I work for a large corporation and as a blue collar worker I don't see any of the profit put into wages for us. It all goes to the corporate leaders and back into the corporation. While the people at the top never lose any money, those of us who produce the goods get nothing.

163 posted on 08/02/2003 4:35:17 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: massadvj
The bottom line is that trade barriers are an artificial constraint on the economy

Telling people not to dump nuclear waste in a creek is also an artificial constraint on the economy. Sure you can argue that property rights keep this in check as the affected people can sue for big bucks, just be there to take care of their kid with 5 arms and 1 eye due to the radiation.

My point is that the government should be there to promote the general welfare of its citizens, as is written in the constitution. Does sending a lot of jobs overseas promote the general welfare? If those people could find meaningful work beyond Walmart Greeter then yes. But they can't. Every business now has an eye for how to shed every worker overseas as quickly as they can. Its like crack.
169 posted on 08/02/2003 6:34:07 AM PDT by lelio
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