Posted on 07/27/2003 2:19:40 PM PDT by protest1
I've seen guys do that one. Some can hold it forever.
oh please....let me go get you some cheese to go with that whinnnnne of yours...
the media made Lynch into some unreal hero ala Audi Murphy....it is not her fault that that happened...
its all sour grapes and ugliness...
it is no skin off of any body's nose if the men and women of the 507th EACH recieved a Bronze star...
I do it all the time. Great way to test the batteries. Hasn't af-f-f-f-eected m-m-m-m-m-me attttttt-alll..
she took the beating and survived and I certainly didn't see her doing propoganda for Iraqi Tv.....
and before anyone pounces, what I meant is the media made her out to be an out of this world hero like Murphy....
which she wasn't, but she never said she was...
Where have I said that? I said Lynch is recognized because she was a lone rescuee in a rescue that was the first since WW2.
Look, 3# Fan, we can all take a wild guess by your chosen FreeRepublic name that you are a "Fan".
Huh?
Some people are into that sort of thing. They will spend hundreds of hours of their lives reading People Magazine to find the latest scrap of news about what the cute faces of Hollywood are doing in their private lives and the only murder cases they memorize are the cute face murder cases such as Jon Bennet Ramsey and Laci Petersen.
Yep they sure will. And when you can find me posting on the Ramsey case or the Peterson case, let me know, for I haven't posted anything on those two cases, except to complain about the media using the Peterson case to take away attention from real issues. That was only 4 or 5 posts that day.
I can somehow relate to that. I recall that, as an 8 year old boy, I had quite a crush on Annette Funicello although I had no idea that those Mickey Mouse Club shows on TV after school were 10 year old re-runs and that my 14 year old hearthrob was really a 24 year old "grown-up" making beach blanket movies with Frankie Avalon.
Glad to see that you aren't completely outraged by cuteness then.
I don't object to Pvt. Lynch getting a Bronze Star because I have not seen any copy of the citation to know if it was awarded for something worthwhile such as conduct after her capture. I do object to the Bronze Star being so cheapened (just as the Medal of Honor was cheapened by the end of the Civil War as I noted in Post 107) that many people on this thread now consider the Bronze Star as a meaningless garbage medal. That dishonors veterans of World War II, Korea and the early stages of the Vietnam War that truly earned the honor that the Bronze Star was original meant to signify. I do not object to Pvt. Lynch recieving her due attention as every single servicemember that served or is serving in Iraq deserves that attention.
Yep. Funny that it took this incident to get you so riled up when it's been going on for decades.
I do object to Pvt. Jessica Lynch, U.S. Army, through no fault of her own, being turned by the news media into "Jessica!", the media phenom, so that "Fans" like you can obsess about her and point out that men with adolescent minds also obsess over Hooters girls.
All I can do is repeat that she is recognized because she was a lone rescuee, not because she is cute. Just as Terry Anderson was recognized when he was released. Just as we will all recognize Scott Speicher when his fate is known and we can put that issue to rest. We remember certain people because of circumstance. Your hatred of cuteness is so severe that you see everything as a cute-noncute issue when there is plenty to suggest that this is much more than that.
You claim to have no military experience but have stated in this thread that you have just followed the positions taken by CWOJackson.
And joesnuffy and reports of previous Bronze Star awardees. They know about this issue and the news reports tell of a pattern with these Bronze Stars.
I am sure that CWOJackson and I would both agree that it would have been much better for the honor of earlier World War II, Korea and Vietnam veterans if the Bronze Star had not been cheapened, as was the Medal of Honor was towards the end of the Civil War. I am sure that CWOJackson and I, as veterans with with retirement certificates hanging on our walls, would both agree that "politics" often trumps honor when decisions are made by the PR guys at the Pentagon.
I'm sure you would. And I would agree with that also. But you don't suddenly change the policy for one person, that would be unfair.
I am sure that CWOJackson and I would both agree that it is detrimental to both the military as a whole, to the families of other military servicemembers, to unit cohesion, to individual morale and to the servicemember herself to be singled out as "Jessica! The Gulf War II Babe!" while everyone else who is not cute is relatively ignored.
She is recognized because she is the lone rescuee in a mission that was the first of it's kind since WW2. I would hope that most servicepeople can cheer Jessica and her sacrifices, instead of moan about the fact that they don't get to get on TV like she does. CWOJackson, joesnuffy, and several other veterans here have not shown any jealousy and I think that most servicepeople can recognize a good story when they see one, and Jessica's is a good story.
Private Jessica Lynch, United States Army is a soldier. She deserves more respect than to be turned into the news media's latest Jon Bennett Ramsey for the titillation of adolescent-minded "Fans".
She is recognized for her sacrifices. I'd rather see Jessica Lynch, Shoshana Johnson, Patrick Miller, and Scott Speicher on TV than more George Clooney at an awards ceremony or something.
I don't know. Her treatment must not have been good for that Iraqi lawyer to trek across the desert risking death of himself and his family. We don't know what happened yet. Jessica said the rescue saved her life. She may have hada good reason to say that. Like you say, we'll see in due time.
She had a mountain named after her!
God only knows why. You know me pretty well, so I doubt you're surprised that I'm the type of person who would be bothered by such lopsided treatment by the press. I don't believe it is Pfc. Lynch's fault. In fact, I have said repeatedly in this forum, ad nauseum, that my problem has never been with Pfc. Lynch. It has always been with the media, and with those who are so caught up in this story that they would suggest the Medal of Honor is an appropriate thing to consider in this case. Having read a number of Medal of Honor citations, I find the notion absurd, and I am offended by it - for several reasons, not the least of which is that it (and this obsessive media coverage) puts Pfc. Lynch herself in a terribly awkward position.
The only person I've seen mention the CMOH has been you ad-nauseum.
My post that you're referring to said if you look at the qualifications for a Bronze Star that everyone earned one. I didn't say everyone got one. Can you keep anything straight? I've said throughout this thread that almost everyone got one. How could I say that everyone got a Bronze Star when it's obvious that I know some got Silver Stars?
Put a nine volt battery in you mouth and you'll see that DC volt can sting so I think it's too early for you to say this battery was not used for torture.
I looked up the story on the internet. The battery was found next to a bloody uniform (conjecture on whose it is) nowhere near where Pvt. Lynch was held.
The army thinks there was torture committed there so I think it's too early to say that Lynch wasn't in that hospital. I can't see them getting the uniforms mixed up, given her size.
Late last week, Yarsinske said she had thought Lynch was probably dead after hearing reports last week that the young woman's bloodied uniform had been found by Special Forces soldiers inside a closed Nasiriyah hospital room -- not the same hospital where she was found Tuesday. It was thought that the Iraqis used the room in the shuttered hospital for torture and interrogation. This article also said that "She'd been shot twice, but was said to be in stable condition.". Pvt. Lynch had no gunshot wounds. So what is to be believed if they even got that wrong?
An understandable mistake if it was a mistake. It's hard to tell what exactly caused wounds when you first see them.
I am not saying torture did not happen. I am sure IT DID happen. But no evidence is available for this to have happened to Pvt. Lynch beyond the Iraqi lawyer's (who helped rescue her) account of her being slapped around by an Iraqi officer.
Believe what you will.
But a nine volt battery is very small and a car battery is very big. I would think if you were to put two jumper cables hooked to a car battery on your tongue that the effect would be much more than a nine volt battery. Perhaps you can volunteer to do this. lol
It's dated early April. I haven't seen anyone deny the car battery claim in there yet. It has stood up so far.
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