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Former Homosexual Says 'No one is born gay'
CBN-700 Club ^ | 7/21/03 | Lee Webb

Posted on 07/27/2003 7:21:52 AM PDT by apackof2

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To: apackof2
...the only thing I can say is I am living proof that there is no basis whatsoever for any type of legislation equating homosexuality with heterosexuality. These people need to realize that change is possible. Encouraging someone to continue in a lifestyle that is false, that is a deception, is not going to do them any good.

Homosexuals like to categorize their "orientation" as genetic, in attempt to manilpulate both the public and the church into accepting homosexaulity.

They claim they were born that way, "they can't help themselves". And therefore everybody must accept homosexuality.

Many people who are not familair with the true nature of sin and the state of man's heart actually fall for this nonsense.

This might work for the world, but should never work for Christians.

All of us are lost and our perceptions are distorted by sin, which is why we need to trust God's Word. Not our feelings and certainly not the testimony of men when it comes to moral behavior.

Christians however have no excuse for remaining in sinful behavior..let alone having the arrogance to call it a "gift from God".

In any case, nowhere does the Bible teach that having an "orientation" of any kind toward sin makes us an exception to God's laws. This applies to both Christian and non-believers.

Those who truly believe God's word on sin will never accept the "orientation" argument as justification for homosexual conduct.

And those who do so have much bigger problems than where they stand on homosexuality.

101 posted on 07/27/2003 6:25:46 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: ChadGore
'you will never have a former black man on your show...

I thought he DID have Michael Jackson on already...

102 posted on 07/27/2003 6:32:41 PM PDT by austinTparty
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To: meia
Any so-called "discrepancies" are the discrepancies of honest men and women reporting what they remembered from each witness' peculiar vantage point. Anyone who has ever interviewed multiple witnesses to a crime or accident scene has seen this fallible but entirely honest filtering at work.

I would be much more inclined to suspect dishonest manipulation if the accounts wholly lacked discrepancies and were in lock-step agreement on every minor point.

103 posted on 07/27/2003 6:39:38 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Arthur McGowan
"Since Catholicism teaches that sodomy is a mortal sin, and is condemned in the Bible, what can your point be? Since Catholicism teaches that Scripture is the inerrant, inspired Word of God, what can your point be? Since priests who are sexual abusers are unfaithful to Catholic teaching and unfaithful to Scripture, what can your point be?"

Really? Is it okay only for priests to engage in sodomy and molesting kids? While everyone else must refrain? The leaders of your church appear to have different standards for different people. As for those priests, like any other sinner, they are unfaithful to God not a "church". The church is the body of believers and all believers have to answer to God, not a "church" for sin.

As for O'Reilly he defends homosexuals. This does stem from his Catholic teachings.

If you are a Catholic I am happy to hear that you believe that Scripture is the inerrant, inspired Word of God. That's unusal. Sola Scriptura is typically ridiculed by Catholics and they typically don't believe it is inerrant.

104 posted on 07/27/2003 8:36:34 PM PDT by nmh
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To: ChadGore
Unless. maybe it would be Michael Jackson. Oh wait, he's not a former black MAN...
105 posted on 07/27/2003 9:00:18 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (Thesaurus: ancient reptile with excellent vocabulary.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
You mean there are no former alcoholics?
106 posted on 07/27/2003 9:04:29 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (Thesaurus: ancient reptile with excellent vocabulary.)
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To: apackof2
bump
107 posted on 07/27/2003 9:04:34 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: xm177e2
If a female baby is exposed to male hormones, she can come out pretty butch.

Not true, if a female is exposed to abnormal amounts of androgens she will develop an intersex disorder. You’ve been reading too much homosexual propaganda.

For instance, women who carry male babies and have a lot of stress during their pregnancies are more likely to give birth to kids who grow up to be gay.

Did your “old wife” tell you that yarn?

108 posted on 07/27/2003 9:05:27 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: meia
OK, let's check your research. How many years after the ressurection of Jesus were the New Testament documents written?
109 posted on 07/27/2003 9:07:24 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (Thesaurus: ancient reptile with excellent vocabulary.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
If the argument is that homosexuality is learned or a preference and not genetically inherited, just ask an alcoholic if he is ever a former alcoholic.

Given enough time, muscle and money, I could make you an alcoholic, heroine addict, porn addict…ect. ect…

But anyway can you show me the genetic marker for homosexuality, alcoholism and heroin addiction please?

Case open!

110 posted on 07/27/2003 9:14:23 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: meia
It is also not childish to point this out if you are trying to maintain that the bible is inerrant.

NONE of your atheist cites proves any error. What are you talking about?

111 posted on 07/27/2003 9:20:24 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: apackof2
BUMP
112 posted on 07/27/2003 9:24:04 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Jorge
I appreciate your post.
113 posted on 07/27/2003 11:09:01 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: NoCmpromiz
OK, let's check your research. How many years after the ressurection of Jesus were the New Testament documents written?

Most scholars say that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written about 40 to 70 years after the death of Christ.

114 posted on 07/28/2003 11:08:53 AM PDT by meia
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To: Clint N. Suhks
NONE of your atheist cites proves any error. What are you talking about?

These are scripture quotes. I wouldn't classify them as "Atheist Cites." But to address your point, all of them cannot be correct, so one or more of these particular passages must be wrong. Hence, there is error.

115 posted on 07/28/2003 11:13:07 AM PDT by meia
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To: xm177e2
That's not the only way people could be "born gay." Genetics are one possibility, but another is if the baby was exposed to certain hormones while in the womb. If a female baby is exposed to male hormones, she can come out pretty butch. Different hormones can have different effects. For instance, women who carry male babies and have a lot of stress during their pregnancies are more likely to give birth to kids who grow up to be gay. That doesn't seem to have anything to do with genetics, but nonetheless would result in a child being "born gay."

My, your just a fount wishful conjecture, aren't you?

116 posted on 07/28/2003 1:37:18 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: meia
I wouldn't classify them as "Atheist Cites."

Hehehe…Who’s conclusions and analysis are used here? That would be the atheists and your endorsement of them.

Stories of the resurrection of Jesus differ. They differ on whether it was one (John 20:1-8), two (Matthew 28:1), three (Mark 16:1) or more (Luke 24:10) women who went to Jesus' tomb.

OK so let’s look at your very first cite and see if it holds water. First of all Luke 24:10 is about who went to see the apostles NOT who went to the sepulchre. This is a lie from the get go and impeaches the rest of your atheist spin.

Second, the accounts in John, Mark and Luke are about Mary Magdalene and that’s consistent in ALL verses, who she was with was unimportant, to say they “differ” is yet another lie. If three people told a story about what YOU did playing basketball and one said you made a dunk, and another said you made a dunk off the pass from Kobe and the third person said you made a dunk off the pass from Kobe against Shaquille is there ANY “difference” in what happened??? Of course not.

Since your atheist cite is so easily debunked in their very first sentence the rest of your atheism spin/spam isn’t worth the time to challenge. You have NO faith; I feel sorry for you.

117 posted on 07/29/2003 11:40:32 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: meia
You are entitled to your opinion about the Bible. You should research the Levites. They were responsible for ensuring that every word of the Bible came down the centuries true. If one jot or tittle was wrong, they burned what they had written and started over.

God inspired men through His Holy Spirit to write down His living word. Read Isaiah, Daniel. They are the prophsey books. What was written has come true in the New Testament. We are living in the end times, just as was prophsied by the writers of the Bible.
Are you saved by the shed blood of Jesus? I hope so.
118 posted on 08/01/2003 6:37:34 PM PDT by DearAbby
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