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Calif. Dem Says Clinton, Not Bush, Deserves Credit for Hussein Kills
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/26/114007 ^

Posted on 07/26/2003 9:11:19 AM PDT by teokee

In the four days since U.S. forces succeeded in tracking down and killing Uday and Qusay Hussein, elected Democrats have been noticeably reluctant to praise President Bush for a job well done.

But at least one Democrat has now stepped up to the plate to give credit where he says credit is due - to former President Bill Clinton.

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To: Winfield
Yes, he's my kinda cowboy too. I just wish he would do something to protect the citizens of this country from the hordes of illegal immigrants who are taking American jobs and raping, murdering, etc., etc., etc. Oh!!! And where are we all going to move to if Hillary becomes President someday!! Now that would truely be a nightmare.
41 posted on 07/26/2003 10:30:57 AM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: teokee
clinton should get the credit? Excuse me while I curse,that ignorant P.O.S.! What a F'n S.O.B! IMO this proves that some or all libs are lying scumbags who care only for themselves. If clinton had done ONE positive thing in office,I would be patriotic enough to give him credid,but he didn't!
42 posted on 07/26/2003 10:38:34 AM PDT by ohiobushman (HEY CLINTON'S,DON'T GO AWAY MAD,JUST F'N GO AWAY!!)
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To: auggy
Eight standing Army divisions
20 Air Force and Navy air wings with 2,000 combat aircraft
232 strategic bombers
13 strategic ballistic missile submarines with 3,114 nuclear warheads on 232 missiles
500 ICBMs with 1,950 warheads

All this was cut and with it the ability to fight a "two front war" Which had been US policy since World War II

With apologies to news max, I got this from them right after the major portion of the war was over in April, Dems were saying the same thing then too. For all it's faults News Max is a very good source of info sometimes, they don't miss much when it comes to Clinton

There are times that spin masters on the left get their facts so twisted that they end up looking like fools. It has been suggested by several spinners in Democrat Party ranks that it is "Bill Clinton's military" that is currently winning the war in Iraq.

The facts show that Bill Clinton halted military development, wasted critical weapons and allowed our forces to become dangerously weak.

No major weapon system was ever introduced during the Clinton years. In fact, many weapons systems were delayed or denied adequate funding.

No Patriot Here

For example, the Patriot missile was not improved during the Clinton years. The repeated pleas of U.S. military leaders that we needed some means to protect ourselves from the ballistic missile threat fell on deaf ears inside the Clinton White House.

Proposed upgrades to the Patriot were not tested, delayed or canceled by the Clinton administration in its feverish attempt to salvage the obsolete ABM treaty with the former Soviet Union. American national security came second to the wishes of Moscow.

The facts show that the Clinton administration traded and sold advanced U.S. military missile technology to China while denying funding to U.S. anti-missile systems that can counter the ballistic missile threat.

George Bush canceled the ABM treaty and immediately funded the Patriot PAC III program. However, events in the Middle East outpaced the frantic effort to ready the Patriot for war.

The war in Iraq forced the Bush administration to put Patriot PAC III into service without a formal testing regime. The PAC III has performed its job, protecting Kuwait and our troops from over a dozen Iraqi ballistic missiles.

Yet two Coalition aircraft have also been downed by the untested Patriot, an RAF Tornado and a U.S. Navy F-18 Hornet. Clearly, if the Clinton administration had allowed Patriot to be tested, the friendly fire incidents could have been avoided.

Clinton Missed the Target

The Clinton administration frequently misused, micromanaged and wasted advanced military weapon systems. Critics of the Clinton administration often cite the failed Tomahawk cruise missile strikes at a Sudanese aspirin factory and poorly targeted missile strikes at empty caves in Afghanistan.

USAF officials confirmed that the President Clinton had a history of bungling missile strikes, in particular targeting the Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM) by micromanagement from the Oval Office.

One specific example cited was the unsuccessful 1996 Desert Strike operation where USAF ALCMs with fragmentary warheads were incorrectly targeted on hardened Iraq bunkers on White House orders.

The White House bypassed the USAF Air Combat Command (ACC) and directly ordered B-52s to fire the ALCMs at a hardened Iraqi air defense command bunker. The frag warheads exploded harmlessly outside the Iraq bunker, causing no damage.

The Iraq bunker was destroyed later by a second, follow-on, strike of Navy Tomahawk missiles with conventional blast explosive warheads.

Bomb-Happy Clinton

President Clinton was frequently criticized in Congress and the Pentagon for being "bomb happy. " Clinton's policy of bombing with high-tech weapons rapidly used up critical U.S. military inventories. The shortages, according to DOD officials, were a direct result of Clinton's Defense budget shortfalls for the hard-pressed U.S. military.

According to Defense planners, the most critical shortfall was in Air Launched Cruise Missiles. In late 1998, Boeing was contracted by the USAF to convert the final remaining 130 nuclear-tipped AGM-86B missiles into conventional "Bunker Buster" ALCMs with 2,000-pound warheads.

The U.S. used about 330 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 90 ALCMs during Desert Fox strikes – now known as the "Monica Storm" campaign. All the USAF-launched ALCMs were Block 1 types equipped with heavy conventional warheads for bunker busting. In addition, 230 laser-guided bombs were used and about 250 dumb "iron" Mk. 82 bombs.

According to recon results of Desert Fox, the cruise missile and laser bomb attacks left most of Iraqi air defenses intact.

Era of Delay and Decay

The Clinton administration proposed that the B-1 bomber be retired early. The very same B-1 that recently dropped four 2,000-pound bombs on a bunker where Saddam may have been having dinner.

The Clinton administration delayed the Global Hawk, the Predator, the GPS-guided bomb systems and the Long Bow Apache, and wanted to trim the number of aircraft carriers down to eight.

Many of the weapons that the U.S. should be fielding now are still in development because of Clinton delays and under-funding.

The Clinton administration delayed the V-22 Osprey, F-22 Raptor, the Joint Strike Fighter and the Comanche attack helicopter. In addition, the U.S. military is still trying to make up critical shortages in the Milstar space communications program.

The Air Force, Navy and Marines are also scrambling to make up critical shortages in air-refueling tankers, frequently cut out of the Clinton budget requests.

During the Clinton years, the U.S. military had to cut valuable training, live-fire exercises and flight hours in order to meet demanding deployment funding spent in Haiti and Kosovo.

In fact, the U.S. Air Force had to turn to the United Arab Emirates in order to upgrade the F-16 Fighting Falcon. The UAE agreed to purchase advanced versions of the F-16 that the USAF could not afford. The UAE export funded further development of the F-16, which eventually made its way into the U.S. Air Force inventory.

Bill Clinton never helped the U.S. military and often hurt American national security. It is an outright lie to claim that Bill Clinton has any responsibility for the current success in the desert of Iraq.

43 posted on 07/26/2003 10:44:46 AM PDT by McCloud-Strife
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To: Paul Atreides
Clinton's a hero if we get the bad guys and it is Bush's fault when we lose a soldier? Ahhhhh, I get it now!

/goes off to stare at the sun

44 posted on 07/26/2003 10:59:34 AM PDT by Normal4me
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To: teokee
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa To the funny farm.
Where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!

45 posted on 07/26/2003 11:01:28 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: McCloud-Strife
Excellent reply. Thank you.

FMCDH

46 posted on 07/26/2003 11:10:32 AM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: Torie
Is California closer to the sun than Pluto?
47 posted on 07/26/2003 11:14:13 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Eala
No, there just seems to be a glut of unnecessary excerpting going on, recently.
48 posted on 07/26/2003 11:16:22 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: teokee
Asked Friday night if he thought President Bush did a good job in taking out the brutal duo, Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes," "When President Clinton put together a magnificent military and handed it over to Bush, that's the person who deserves our credit."

Do you have to be crazy to live in Calif?

Not really. Brad Sherman is delusional. When I saw the article, my first thought was either Feinstein or Boxer spewed this crap.

49 posted on 07/26/2003 11:20:18 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (You bring tar, I'll bring feathers....recall Davis in 03!!!)
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To: teokee
Do you have to be crazy to live in Calif?

No, but it helps.

50 posted on 07/26/2003 11:21:04 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: teokee
But at least one Democrat has now stepped up to the plate to give credit where he says credit is due - to former President Bill Clinton.

So does this mean he thinks Clinton is responsible for the quagmire they claim we are in??

51 posted on 07/26/2003 11:21:54 AM PDT by Mo1 (Please help Free Republic and Donate Now !!!)
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To: McCloud-Strife
Yet two Coalition aircraft have also been downed by the untested Patriot, an RAF Tornado and a U.S. Navy F-18 Hornet. Clearly, if the Clinton administration had allowed Patriot to be tested, the friendly fire incidents could have been avoided.

Generally a good post with this exception.

I've actually got a little experience with the PATRIOT development (albeit twenty years ago...). As I understand it, the PAC III upgrade is an improvement to the missile itself, improving its ability to hit difficult targets. Inadvertently shooting down friendly aircraft is more of an Identification/Command&Control problem and probably not a lack-of-testing problem.

At least that's my theory. Take it for what it's worth. ;-)

52 posted on 07/26/2003 11:27:35 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality.)
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To: gsrinok; teokee
Are California dims really this crazy, or do they just fake it to fit in with their constituents?

Yes. They (the damnocrats) are asylum escapees all running amock within the system. And scary to think that they are the majority there.

The prior "once upon a time" conservative base has left the state in exile.

53 posted on 07/26/2003 11:30:37 AM PDT by kstewskis (...the dark side continues to metastasize.....)
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To: solo gringo
The only thing clinton gave to arms forces was a monica beret and an ugly one at that made in CHINA.

I HATE those stupid berets! They look so pansy @$$.

Becki

54 posted on 07/26/2003 11:35:52 AM PDT by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops!)
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To: teokee
A strong prerequisite. I find it to be a very large asylum.
55 posted on 07/26/2003 11:40:31 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: anniegetyourgun
And Bush "took over" the Clinton recession too, right?

No put he's going to take credit for the recovery.

56 posted on 07/26/2003 11:41:22 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: teokee
Sherman is a walking talking point. I don't think he even believes half the things that pass his smirk.
57 posted on 07/26/2003 11:42:21 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Make South Korea an island)
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To: ohiobushman
If clinton had done ONE positive thing in office,I would be patriotic enough to give him credid,but he didn't!
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Sure he did! Laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns each of the eight years he served! Went to Normandy and shed actual tears. He really did! Really! I saw it on TeeVee.
58 posted on 07/26/2003 12:14:32 PM PDT by night reader
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To: NonValueAdded
If you look at the command and control performance, Bush=Iraq and Toon=Somalia. Which take-down exercise was successful? What was the difference between the two?
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But Bush was able to use the magnificent military he inherited from Clinton, while Clinton was limited by the enfeebled, emasculated military he had inherited from Reagan and Bush I.</SARCASM>>
59 posted on 07/26/2003 12:29:42 PM PDT by night reader
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To: Normal4me
Funny how W inherited "Bubba's military" but didn't inherit Bubba economy.
60 posted on 07/26/2003 12:35:34 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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