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To: BushCountry
Remenber when they said that hotel security was called because of a loud ruckus.

Look, I've had hotel security called on me before because of loud ruckuses coming from my room. But the sex was CONSENSUAL -- just ask my wife.

I don't know whether he's lying or she's lying. But loud noises, shouting, screams and moans prove nothing about whether the sex is consensual or not. And I'm very sorry if you've not yet realized this. Don't give up hope; your time may still come.

223 posted on 07/25/2003 9:11:19 PM PDT by kevao
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To: kevao
I don't care, I told you before that I think he is innocent of rape and guilty of being a major league jackass. I really think we should wait for the actually facts of the case before making judgement. The machine that is working against her has worked against me. But, look at the contortions you have to go through if a couple of the facts of t he case that are hinted at are true.

You have to dismiss or explain away:

1. A face so heavily battered it can not be covered-up three weeks later with makeup. By the way, a pretty young women does not beat her face to a pulp to make a point, to much vanity (they flip over a little pimple). Do you realize how rare sucides using a weapon to the face are in women? BTW they are not that rare in men (we like blowing our brains out for some reason).

2. Physical evidence of forcible entry (rape) and defensive wounds.

3. Hotel guest that heard loud noises coming from the room. One news source, Speakout.com claims that Kobe was yelling profanities such as, "White Bitch" (I think this is bogus, but references to the commonition in the room has showned-up in several news articles when the incident first happened). More than one article states that security was called and went to Kobe's room. Here is a direct qoute from one, "One employee said hotel security, responding to complaints of noise from other guests, went to Bryant's room in the early morning hours of July 1."

5. This brings up another point and that is when she left Kobe's room she was crying and upset and hotel several employees seen her. A qoute from another newspaper article, "The 19-year-old was reportedly asked to deliver room service to Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant in his hotel room. It's not part of her job, but she reportedly did it anyway. When she came down from the room she was in hysterics."

4. Proof of forcible rape was returned from the crime lab or the DA would not have gone forward. You will not convince me, no matter how many contortions that he is stupid enough to face Kobe's army of attorneys without evidence. Here is one qoute from an article of the crimelab, "Anytime we deal with (an alleged) crime of violence we look at exchange of hairs and fibers, exchange of body fluids -- that's blood, semen, saliva," Mang said, as well as "anomalies like torn clothing buttons or the sort of things that we may not expect to find in normal wear and tear. Any evidence of any degree of force used."
Here is the kicker, he added: "If there isn't any evidence it won't take very long. If we find any evidence it will take more time."

***It took three weeks to process the evidence.***

5. Kobe's strange behavior. First, he lied about why he was in Colorado to his team (I would assume for monetary gain). Second, he calls his wife right before he is going to have sex with a stranger (yes, it was pre-planned, that is why I could be convince easily that he was guilty, because he was expecting sex. If she said no, he'd take it). Third, he has sex/rapes stranger. Forth, he orders a movie after she leaves. I only think this is important because it was what 12:30am and he has an operation in the morning scheduled. Which means he wasn't tired or was hyped-up.

6. His bodyguards acting very strange to and from the hospital. I will reference another newspaper article, "The whole thing was pretty weird and pretty fishy," said O'Brien of Vail, Colo. "Bryant was laying in the back seat with a towel over his head trying not to be seen while three men were taking care of all the details." He is quoted saying the trip to the hospital with the bodyguards was even stranger and that they lied about the reason of the trip.

7. He drags his wife out to face public ridicule and humiliation during his strange press conference declaring his adultry. The tears, taut lips, dramatic pauses, and unseemingly heartfelt apologies to his wife, Vanessa rings hollow after we find out about the gift of the $4M ring. In a way, this makes him appear guilty.

8. She has taken a lie detector test and passed. This is standard operating procedure in high-profile cases. Where are the results of his independent test? I can't think of a high profile case where the falsely accused did not willingly take a test. OJ started a test and didn't complete it when they got the wrong results, Kennedy Smith didn't, but several others did, Conduit passed which is a bit disturbing. But, the point is that innocent people take them all the time in aduction cases, etc...
226 posted on 07/26/2003 6:27:05 AM PDT by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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