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Obviously there are major problems with the security system. All pilots should have been told about the no fly zone, this guy had no idea. It was fortunate that the whole thing was innocent, because a terrorist could have done the same thing -- he flew below the radars.

I wonder just how large is the no fly zone around the president, it should be large enough so as soon as they see someone heading towards it, they can tell the pilot to change direction, and if he doesn't and veeres 10 feet into the zone, they should shoot the plane out of the sky.

Heads should roll over this one.

1 posted on 07/24/2003 4:53:02 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
All pilots should have been told about the no fly zone

Note to self: Read the danged NOTAMS.

/john

2 posted on 07/24/2003 4:59:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (I'm just a cook.)
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To: FairOpinion
Why do you believe this guy saying he didn't know? The only thing that matters is that he did it and anyone can do it again.

3 posted on 07/24/2003 5:00:14 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: FairOpinion
I wonder just how large is the no fly zone around the president

Generally 30 nautical miles (1 nm appx = 1.15 statute mile)

he doesn't and veeres 10 feet into the zone, they should shoot the plane out of the sky.

It's not that simple. Flight ops within a TFR can be conducted with certain rules. Accidentally stumbling into a TFR is easier than you might think. Killing someone for a ten foot incursion into a 30 nm zone is a bit extreme. And if heads rolled for accidental incursions, very few people would be employed right now.

10 posted on 07/24/2003 5:08:46 PM PDT by tbpiper
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About 30 police officers, with their guns drawn, waited as the Cessna

That would of been a good time to rob a bank. All the cops are out there arresting a misguided pilot. With their guns drawn? Sounds like it is out of a bad movie.
14 posted on 07/24/2003 5:15:14 PM PDT by lelio
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To: FairOpinion
All little airplanes must be grounded. For the children.
21 posted on 07/24/2003 5:29:13 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: FairOpinion
"He was unaware that there was a temporary flight restriction in effect"

Sooooo .. who dropped the ball. Either the guy didn't read the memo .. or there wasn't one. Shame, shame!!
26 posted on 07/24/2003 5:59:47 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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I am an air traffic controller at the PHL airport and although I was not at work until the incident was over, I know the details.

The pipeline patrol is a common operation around PHL due to all of the energy production in and around Philly. The pilots flying these routes generally remain outside or below the Class B airspace, operating quite low to inspect mostly natural gas lines.

Yes, there was a 30 mile TFR in effect for Bush's visit today but unless you have the up to date NOTAMS, you would not know. Trust me, this was just an uninformed pilot who damn near got his butt shot out of the sky because he happened to be doing his patrol when the president was returning to the airport for departure.

A controller in the Tower observed the VFR target, alerted security personnel, at which time a police helicopter got on the Cessna's rear. Subsequently the pilot called PHL Tower to find out why he was being chased and got the shock of his life. He'll have stories to tell for quite awhile.

46 posted on 07/24/2003 7:49:06 PM PDT by MoodyBlu (Thank you for flying Philly Approach!)
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To: FairOpinion; harpseal; Travis McGee; Squantos; SLB
About 30 police officers, with their guns drawn, waited as the Cessna taxied to a stop and then ordered the pilot to lie down on the tarmac.

My heroes!

51 posted on 07/24/2003 8:02:53 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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Let's just get it over with and put up a 5000 mile protection zone around our Holy Leaders.
53 posted on 07/24/2003 8:22:14 PM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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Cheese and crackers! I bet that poor pilot needed a change of underwear!
58 posted on 07/24/2003 8:28:55 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: FairOpinion
Yes, indeed, NOTAMS are your friend.
59 posted on 07/24/2003 8:30:46 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: TxPilot
"30-mile no-fly zone "

FYI
74 posted on 07/25/2003 1:26:56 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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