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Meanwhile: Brights Of The World, Stand And Be Counted (Atheists, Godless To March On Washington)
International Herald Tribune ^
| 7/15/03
| Daniel C. Dennett
Posted on 07/24/2003 4:45:25 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
In the PC world, controlling the language is key to controlling the people.
Newspeak doubleplusgood!
To: Physicist; kcar
A Jehovah's Witness was once trying to give me the intelligent design argument. He said: "Did this watch make itself? Did this house make itself? Then how could the universe make itself?" I don't think watches or houses make themselves, but maybe the universe made itself.
I came out as an atheist at the age of 15 and haven't looked back. I respect many things about the church and still see the value and power of it when I attend funerals, etc., but I'm not a believer. Strangely enough, my son is planning to go to seminary. Maybe that's the way things work. I don't try to talk him out of this, partly because I can see that theology turns on his mind more than most other things.
I would be glad to stand up and be counted as an atheist, but the "bright" thing is just ridiculous and hopefully won't catch on.
To: Libloather
Talk about a dichotomy. A Bright Athiest.
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posted on
07/25/2003 2:57:35 AM PDT
by
OldEagle
(Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
To: MineralMan
PING You might be interested in this article.
64
posted on
07/25/2003 3:03:55 AM PDT
by
LanPB01
To: Kevin Curry
Therefore, you know that if God were to intercede it would cause the same sort insept results that would result if you were God and you were to interecede. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that the act of interceding at all is itself a proof of His having gotten it wrong the first time. I am not so faithless as to think that God would have made such a blunder.
To: King Prout
Wow. Since the right to assemble comes from God according to the Declaration of Independence, I guess they can't meet then, eh?
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posted on
07/25/2003 3:15:08 AM PDT
by
dyed_in_the_wool
(Leave Sid alone. -- John Lydon)
To: Libloather
You just had to know that he looked like this:
What's a poor philosopher to do, relegated to Blue Hill, Maine because Wellfleet and Truro are full...
I swear that was him driving my cab last week.
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posted on
07/25/2003 3:17:57 AM PDT
by
metesky
("Let us go among them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, "The Searchers")
To: Senator Pardek
But why a Deist and not Atheist?Because of two things: the perfect appropriateness of mathematics for the description of the physical universe, and the infinitude and meta-universality of mathematical truth.
In every possible universe, mathematical truth will be the same, let the physics be as wildly different as you like. This set of truths therefore possesses a kind of objective reality that goes far beyond any specific physical universe, and it is demonstrably from this set of truths (this infinite genius) that our universe, at least, follows as a consequence. (Yes, I'm a Platonist. Sorry Ms. Rand.)
What attributes of a deity does this set lack? Is it too impersonal? I don't think so. If you believe, as I do, that consciousness has a mathematical description, then it's in there, too.
To: dyed_in_the_wool
don't make me snarf coffee on my keyboard, please!
I suppose they could attempt a dodge thusly: The preamble identifies rights as the "inalienable" "endowments" from "our Creator". Not, specifically, a deity-concept called "God". The athiests could, I suppose, argue that mother nature endowed us with these rights through natural processes, and thus is the "Creator" the Founding Fathers were talking about. Laughable, pathetic, lame, yes. But is it inconsistent with the art of the dodgers?
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posted on
07/25/2003 3:53:01 AM PDT
by
King Prout
(people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
To: Physicist
THAT's an interesting take on the notion. I kinda like it, actually.
70
posted on
07/25/2003 3:54:58 AM PDT
by
King Prout
(people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
To: dixiechick2000
See #52 for an example of what I was talking about.
71
posted on
07/25/2003 4:20:39 AM PDT
by
WKB
(3!~ ( You can hear it anywhere but only here can you tell the world what you think about it))
To: xzins
What about a simple, unelaborated, honest statement of personal fact: "I don't know"?
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posted on
07/25/2003 4:32:42 AM PDT
by
King Prout
(people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
To: LanPB01
"PING You might be interested in this article"
Well, thanks for the ping, but the article really doesn't interest me. I'm an atheist, it's true, but I don't align myself with these silly folks. Brights, indeed!
My atheism doesn't make me part of any group that is active in political matters. It is simply a non-belief in deities and other supernatural entities. That's it.
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posted on
07/25/2003 8:27:51 AM PDT
by
MineralMan
(godless atheist)
To: Libloather
"Brights." LOL. Political correctness reaches new heights of lunacy. Why not just call themselves theologically deficient, or deity prohibited, or something like that?
74
posted on
07/27/2003 3:48:34 PM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
To: kms61
Huh? Do you beat your wife?
75
posted on
07/27/2003 3:50:22 PM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
To: jpl
Yeah, it was funny when he talked about the silent majority bit. The next paragraph stated that 27 million Americans are atheists. I mean, if the surveys are off by oh, say 125 million or so he'd be right! 125 million is certainly within the margin of error!
76
posted on
07/27/2003 3:53:42 PM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
To: Libloather
The term "bright" is a recent coinage by two brights in Sacramento, California, who thought our social group could stand an image-buffing and that a fresh name might help.
I Cor 11:14 ... for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of
light.
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posted on
07/27/2003 3:57:17 PM PDT
by
gitmo
(We have left the slippery slope and we are now in free fall.)
To: Libloather
Great. My fellow atheists being idiots again. "Brights" now, are we? No thanks. I happen to know that the majority of these folks are Marxists, and how bright is that? Not very. Geez, why do people want to have a group name and a group identity, and all cluster together like a bunch of grapes claiming victimhood? Just can't figure it out....
To: GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...
Ping.
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posted on
07/27/2003 4:00:21 PM PDT
by
narses
("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
To: kcar
"Atheist" is a fine word that says it all. "A-" as in not, and "theist", as in someone having an active belief in a supernatural being.Ah, someone's been reading his George Smith.
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