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To: cyborg
But the simple fact remains: Jews by race, focus and number were the largest single group targeted and killed by the Nazis.
3 posted on 07/24/2003 3:13:08 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: txzman
I am going to disagree with you respecfully. There were many holocausts in the last 20th century. What makes the Jewish holocaust so special? I remember hearing 'never again' repeated ad nauseum but we all know that's crap. How many people have been killed in wars in Africa? What about what the Japanese did to the Chinese? Armenian holocaust...on and on.
4 posted on 07/24/2003 3:21:05 PM PDT by cyborg (i'm a mutt american)
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To: txzman
But why do Jews ignore the horrific numbers killed by the Nazis?
16 posted on 07/24/2003 4:27:56 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: txzman
But the simple fact remains: Jews by race, focus and number were the largest single group targeted and killed by the Nazis

The Jewish death toll from a Nazis was about 6 million. The death toll of Ukranians from Stalin's deliberate genocide-famine campaign in 1932-33 was between 6 and 7 million. The total Soviet murder statistics dwarf the Nazis.

The bottom line is that murder-by-government in Europe in the first half of the 20th Century was huge by any historical measure. It was not exclusively all about the Jews

24 posted on 07/24/2003 4:49:44 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === will work for food)
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To: txzman; cyborg
But the simple fact remains: Jews by race, focus and number were the largest
single group targeted and killed by the Nazis.


I think, at least here in the USA, we are moving to a better telling of what the
heck the Nazis conceived and executed, with the help of all their fellow travelers
(average German in the German Army, volunteers from a score of other countries/regions).

One of the better tellings I've seen was "Stories to Remember" this spring on
PBS (KCET/Los Angeles). It was funded by some foundation via a university center
(I can't remember which one; I think it was somewhere on the East Coast).

It did center mostly on the suffering of European Jews who survived WWII, whether
through camps, living in the wild, or traveling with partisans.
AND the show included personal testimony from captured American military personnel who
saw some of the camp guards torture their fellow troops.
AND an interview with a fellow who'd been a sold-out-for-Adolph Hitler Jugend
(too young for combat, I think), and him eloquently admitting his shame at his
former identity.

I don't blame the Jews at large for bringing up the topic all the time...if I'd been
among the Jewish survivors, I'd have been tempted to do the same.
However, it sure seems that there is a move to admit the totality of the suffering
of the innocents in WWII.
Like Michael Medved says, Jews should not repeat the tales so often that
people eventually stop listening. And my naive advice would be to tell the story
of all the persecuted innocents...reaching out to other groups won't damage the truth
of what happened to the Jews in WWII.

I just wonder when Hollywood will come clean and tell similar truths on the
movie screens about the other Evil Empire.
25 posted on 07/24/2003 4:53:16 PM PDT by VOA
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