[PFKEY]

Luke.6
[46] And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Why the argument?

In the end does it really matter what side of salvation baptism falls on?

If we fail to do as Jesus commanded then we truly do not consider him Lord and we do not share in the Kingdom.

Agree or disagree?

[BibChr]

Dang, that's a really good question. Would you do me a favor, nag me about this one more time? Back from over a week away, no time, deluged with posts to answer, want to give yours time. I'd really appreciate it.

Dan

[BibChr]

Actually, post 172 pretty well already answered your question.

And the difference is literally that between Heaven and Hell. If salvation is won partly by efforts, works, rituals on our part, then it is not (as the Bible says) by grace alone, through faith alone, so that all the glory goes to God alone.

Whether our works are a cause of salvation, however large or small, or a result of salvation, is the difference between a false, damning, heretical non-Gospel, and the saving Gospel of Christ found in the Bible (Galatians 1:8-10).

Now Judge Bork gets wet, and chucklingly praises the water for rinsing off his sin. I can't see anyone HONESTLY saying that this in any way indicates a man captivated by the saving grace of God in Jesus Christ, poor in spirit and broken by conviction of his sin, overflowing with joyous gratitude to the Triune God for the work of Jesus Christ on the Cross, saving him by God's sheer grace.

And, to your last question, as James and Paul both indicate, a faith which does not RESULT IN works and obedience is not saving faith. A believer will obey; if he doesn't, he has "faith," not faith.

Dan