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Exporting jobs is no way to run a business
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ^ | Thursday, July 24, 2003 | BILL VIRGIN

Posted on 07/24/2003 10:04:50 AM PDT by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

What a bit of propitious timing. The day after this paper runs a column about the long-term economic hazards of outsourcing American jobs overseas come revelations that IBM executives want to accelerate the shift of white-collar jobs to India, China and elsewhere.

Just doin' my job, ma'am.

But the alarm-sounding is hardly limited to inconsequential industries like technology. Now we read, courtesy of The Associated Press, of a new threat to a long-established American production industry from lower-cost sources from China:

Garlic.

According to the AP dispatch, California garlic growers are replacing their own production with imports from China. "If you look at history, people always go for the least expensive price," said one grower.

Not everyone among the three dozen readers who wrote in about the column was concerned. One reader sniffed (if it's possible to do that in an e-mail), that such writing "panders to two weaknesses of the American consumer -- xenophobia and economic ignorance."

His contention is that overseas manufacturing "creates new jobs in areas such as shipping, trucking, railroads, freight-forwarding, to say nothing off the supporting legal and accounting professions." He adds that "every American potentially benefits if U.S. companies reduce their costs by manufacturing overseas. Companies either lower their prices to consumers or the cost savings result in higher earnings and higher share prices. In the latter case, investors and retirees benefit through the increased value of their investments and retirement savings."

Well, no, wrong, uh-uh -- and thanks for writing.

Many of those transport jobs already existed. American-made goods didn't, to borrow a term from "Harry Potter," magically apparate from assembly line to store shelf. And as we've explained before, those support jobs will, over time, migrate to where the work is actually done.

Also as we've explained before, yes there are benefits to cost cutting -- short-term cost benefits. But there are also very real long-term costs. Those investors and retirees, for example, hoping to sell their stocks -- good luck fetching the gains they're counting on when they're trying to sell their stocks to a generation whose purchasing power and wealth-building ability has been cut by the drain of better-paying jobs.

Another e-mailer in the "don't worry, be happy" camp suggested that the only thing that matters is supply and demand. No kidding -- and when companies find that American demand for the goods they're trying to supply has evaporated because people can't afford them, no one is likely to be happy with the outcome.

Some people got it. One Boeing worker (where employee-rank concern over this issue appears most acute) cited quality guru Edwards Deming's assertion that "businesses that resort to laying off workers or off-loading to the lowest bidder is a form of crisis management" -- in order to make some money for the short term. But this is not a successful way to run a business and according to Deming, such acts will only prolong their troubles and eventually kill the company completely.

And weaken an economy, to boot.

Look, for the umpteenth time, here is why this stuff matters: Outsourcing jobs, particularly overseas, means a loss not only of the immediate job but starts the erosion of support jobs. It chokes the source of product and production innovation, and transfers technology to others who will develop their own next-generation entrepreneurs, products, companies and industries.

Listen further: Concern about outsourcing and the export of jobs is not the same as a call for protectionism, a planned economy and the preservation of every job. If there were no other country outside our borders, we'd still be losing jobs every day.

Companies screw up and are beaten by competitors. New technology makes old products obsolete. Consumer tastes change.

But the jobs to replace those lost jobs do not, to use that word again, apparate out of thin air. They need a base, an economic heritage, from which to grow. Export that base, whether it's farming, manufacturing, technology or services, and ... And what you've got is a situation in which people will either do nothing or a whole lot of the wrong thing (see entry above on economy, planned).

Faulting people for being worried about this issue is fine, but if you do at least get the sin right. It's not a matter of xenophobia or economic ignorance. It's self-interest.

P-I reporter Bill Virgin can be reached at 206-448-8319 or billvirgin@seattlepi.com.
His column appears Tuesdays and Thursdays.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
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"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade."

~ Karl Marx, On the Question of Free Trade, January 9, 1848


1 posted on 07/24/2003 10:05:23 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
Not so sure about the xenophobia but the the economic ignorance has been around for as long as I can remember.
2 posted on 07/24/2003 10:10:26 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Willie Green
Whipping businesses until they pack up and leave is no way to run a goverment!
3 posted on 07/24/2003 10:11:54 AM PDT by Voltage
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To: Voltage
Agreed. In addition, demonizing profit while ignoring the importance of economically healthy companies is bad for everyone.
4 posted on 07/24/2003 10:16:57 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: clamper1797; sarcasm; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; GiovannaNicoletta; Caipirabob; Ed_in_NJ; ...
An important article on oursourcing.

As always if you wish on or off this list let me know
5 posted on 07/24/2003 10:17:32 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Willie Green; Cacique; harpseal; TaxRelief; Dutchy; ELS
Absolutely Free traitor Bump!!

"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade."

~ Karl Marx, On the Question of Free Trade, January 9, 1848
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/01/09ft.htm#marx
6 posted on 07/24/2003 10:20:29 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: Voltage
Whipping businesses until they pack up and leave is no way to run a goverment!

I agree with taht when it comes to government regulation and excessive taxation.

However, there is a certain fashion concisciosness that is driving much of the current outsourcing. It fits the business model so logic and laws be damned.

Clearly we need to do teh following:

1. Get rid of OPIC which provides a taxpayer subsidy for offshoring.

2. Adopt a trade policy that promotes American competitiveness. There should be no tariffs on American goods and services going overseas.

3. Enage nations that have capital controls in place to develop their local economies to get those controls removed. Tariffs are the Constitutional alternative to these nations not removing these Capital controls.

4. Those nations which maintain tariffs against American products must face retaliatory tariffs.

5. Those nations which subsidize industries to compete witrh American Industries should be faced with tariffs.

6. Those nations which maintain an artifical currency peg to the US dollar that makes their products less expensive in dollar terms and american products more expensive in dollar terms should also face tariffs.

7. Strictly enforce our immigration laws. if this means a whole bunch of H1-B visa people are terminated tommorrow so be it.

8. Provide enterprise zones where capital investment in America is free from corporate income tax for their produicts produced in America by Americans.

These steps will be a start.

7 posted on 07/24/2003 10:27:32 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
8. Provide enterprise zones where capital investment in America is free from corporate income tax for their produicts produced in America by Americans.

Yes..make the zone the entire USA.

8 posted on 07/24/2003 10:31:30 AM PDT by Voltage
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To: Chi-townChief
Some of that "xenophobia" is legitmate and necessary. It is written into our Constitution. The President must be native-born. Congress is empowered to regulate immigration and import tariffs.

As a man's home is his castle, so too is the home of a nation no home unless it mainatains its borders. A castle, more than any other building is a image of impregnable walls and a staunch defense against intrusion.

So when we employ the simple common-sense, individual rights upholding, wisdom of "A man's home is his castle" to our natiopn today, we see that we are in deep doo-doo. Our guard is down, the walls are rubble and there is a trojan horse in every corner with a Made in China label on it.

9 posted on 07/24/2003 10:33:33 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Willie Green
Just wondering... Since you quote Marx on free trade as a way of damning the concept of free trade 'by association', do you also object to free trade between, say, Alabama and Pennsylvania, and draw the line against free trade only at the US border? Or is free trade acceptable to you in some situations but not in others? Just about everything that Marx says to disparage free trade can as easily be applied to trade between and among the 50 US states. We have certainly seen the impact of the loss of jobs from the industrial Northeast as they migrated to the South over the past fifty years. So, do you have a problem with free trade, or is there some other problem that you are really objecting to?
10 posted on 07/24/2003 10:33:56 AM PDT by The Electrician
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To: Willie Green
cited quality guru Edwards Deming's assertion that "businesses that resort to laying off workers or off-loading to the lowest bidder is a form of crisis management"

Bah, Deming's an old coot that doesn't know about today's global environment. / sarcasm
11 posted on 07/24/2003 10:35:03 AM PDT by lelio
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To: bvw
Correct - And the economic ignorance I was referring to was 1/4 to 1/3 of a UAW plant's employees buying new foriegn cars in the mid-70s. These boy put themselves out of work just to save a few bucks on a car.
12 posted on 07/24/2003 10:38:06 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: sauropod
ping for print
13 posted on 07/24/2003 10:44:33 AM PDT by sauropod ("Come over here and make me. I dare you. You little fruitcake, you little fruitcake.")
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To: harpseal
It isn't about 'outsourcing'! It's about trading away jobs as has been done with the auto and steel industries. It's about the textile and manufacturing jobs that we've let skip off to the Second & Third Worlds.
14 posted on 07/24/2003 10:44:42 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: The Electrician
do you also object to free trade between, say, Alabama and Pennsylvania,

Speaking for myself, this is a different situation. AL and PA have to deal with some of the same regulations and taxes set down by the feds and local laws. You're not going to find one state that says its okay to demolish computers and let the runoff go into rivers.
Also you're going to deal with similiar cost structures. You're not going to be able to buy a mansion for $1k in one of the states.
Plus the trade of goods and services between AL and PA will benefit both states.
15 posted on 07/24/2003 10:47:55 AM PDT by lelio
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To: Voltage
Yes..make the zone the entire USA. ,P>I do agree with that but I do not think such a program would get through Congress right now and we need something right now. Call enterprise zones an experiment that will get business moving and once it demonstrated how well this can work it will become relatively easy to get this throughout the nation.
16 posted on 07/24/2003 10:48:49 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: thegreatbeast
It isn't about 'outsourcing'! It's about trading away jobs as has been done with the auto and steel industries. It's about the textile and manufacturing jobs that we've let skip off to the Second & Third Worlds.

If you have been following my posts on the subject you would realize that I view the offshore outsourcing of Steel, Textiles Furniture and many other industries to be against the interests of the USA. I deo not have any argument with you on this.

17 posted on 07/24/2003 10:52:40 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: lelio
Ah, but it still suffers from the faults of free trade that Marx was espousing. So, at least in your case, free trade does not seem to be the issue - it is OK as long as there is some level of shared burden.

Despite the common 'overhead' that you cited, there is not a level playing field between and among the states. For decades (centuries?) there has been a massive, coerced, and sustained transfer of wealth from states such as Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, et al, to the states of the West and the South. Along with massive coreced tax subsidies for industries such as giant agribusiness and oil exploration, which are concentrated in the West and the South. As a Connecticut resident, my life has been plagued by high taxes and lower real wages as a direct result of free trade with the states of the South and the West. Should I not care about that simply because some of the burdens of the federal government are shared between those states?

18 posted on 07/24/2003 11:01:17 AM PDT by The Electrician
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To: The Electrician
do you also object to free trade between, say, Alabama and Pennsylvania, and draw the line against free trade only at the US border?

Article I, Section 8. The Congress shall have power to...
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
Article I, Section 9....
...No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state.
...No preference shall be given by any regulation of commerce or revenue to the ports of one state over those of another: nor shall vessels bound to, or from, one state, be obliged to enter, clear or pay duties in another.
Article I, Section 10.
...No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

19 posted on 07/24/2003 11:04:52 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Some people got it. One Boeing worker (where employee-rank concern over this issue appears most acute) cited quality guru Edwards Deming's assertion that "businesses that resort to laying off workers or off-loading to the lowest bidder is a form of crisis management" -- in order to make some money for the short term. But this is not a successful way to run a business and according to Deming, such acts will only prolong their troubles and eventually kill the company completely.

One key element is missing. For people making the decisions it can be a very rational and lucrative. For example the predatory CEO will become a hero for improving the short term bottom line and will retire rich with a golden parachute before the company goes belly up.

20 posted on 07/24/2003 11:12:50 AM PDT by A. Pole
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