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Justice Department, House at odds over sneak' Patriot Act searches
Associated Press ^ | 07-24-03

Posted on 07/24/2003 9:41:47 AM PDT by Brian S

07/24/03

Curt Anderson Associated Press

Washington - The Justice Department raised strong objections yesterday to a surprising 309-118 House vote against covert "sneak and peek" searches in criminal investigations, a move that sponsors said reflected civil liberties concerns raised by the anti-terrorism USA Patriot Act.

"I think the message that 309 votes tells me is that people have the opportunity to look back and say, What have we really done?' " said Rep. C.L. "Butch" Otter, Republican of Idaho. "I think it's given unbridled authority to the federal law enforcement agencies."

The Patriot Act strengthened government surveillance and law enforcement powers, removed a barrier to the CIA and other intelligence agencies sharing information with law enforcement officials, and added a number of provisions aimed at disrupting terrorism financing.

"Our success in preventing another catastrophic attack on the U.S. homeland would have been much more difficult, if not impossible, without several of the provisions of that act," FBI Director Robert Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday.

Civil liberties advocates say there is a greater chance that government can snoop on innocent people.

The law permits agents to search the home of a suspected drug dealer, or plant a listening device in the car of a reputed mobster, or copy a computer hard drive of a terror suspect, without notifying the suspect until later. That keeps suspects from escaping, destroying evidence or tampering with witnesses, for example.

The warrants must be approved by a judge and are permitted in limited circumstances.

As of April 1, the Justice Department had obtained such warrants under the USA Patriot Act 47 times for searches and 14 times for property seizures. Extensions ranging from one day to 90 days have been obtained 248 times.

Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo said the Otter amendment "would have a devastating effect on the United States' ongoing efforts to detect and prevent terrorism, as well as to combat other serious crimes."

The amendment, approved Tuesday night, was attached to the annual spending bill for the Justice Department and other agencies, which passed the House yesterday. The bill moves on to the Senate, giving the Bush administration time to get it removed.

The Otter amendment would have no effect on secret search warrants obtained under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which is aimed at agents of foreign powers such as spies and terrorists. The FISA law was also expanded and updated by the USA Patriot Act.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: patriotact; privacy; privacylist

1 posted on 07/24/2003 9:41:48 AM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
"Our success in preventing another catastrophic attack on the U.S. homeland would have been much more difficult, if not impossible, without several of the provisions of that act," FBI Director Robert Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday.

Notice that Mueller did not mention that the provision in question was one of those. All I've seen it used for is drug investigations.

2 posted on 07/24/2003 9:49:38 AM PDT by dirtboy (Free Sabertooth!)
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To: steve50; EternalVigilance; ellery
this thing almost needs a ping list!
3 posted on 07/24/2003 9:49:47 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
If you start a ping list, please put me on it!
4 posted on 07/24/2003 10:01:11 AM PDT by ellery
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To: Brian S
The Otter amendment would have no effect on secret search warrants obtained under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which is aimed at agents of foreign powers such as spies and terrorists. The FISA law was also expanded and updated by the USA Patriot Act.

So how does this hurt the war on terror if the government is still able to get secret warrants for foreign terrorists? Seems to me the Patriot Act simply allowed the feds to extend the sneak and peek method to ALL crime.

Also interesting that this article confirms DOJ HAS used this provision 14 times since April to seize private property without first notifying the owner! How can anyone support this particular provision and still claim to be conservative?

5 posted on 07/24/2003 10:05:06 AM PDT by ellery
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To: Huck
Keeps getting stranger. Was a story out that the Patriot Act supporters thought they had this provision beat on a technicality, now they're talked about gutting it in compromise. Damn hard to get government to give up a power, once they've had a little taste.

I'd like to see the whole bill redone myself, now that we're a little calmer. It was passed unread under panic circumstances, not grounds for good lawmaking.
6 posted on 07/24/2003 10:10:07 AM PDT by steve50 (I don't know about being with "us", but I'm with the Constitution)
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To: steve50
I'd like to see the whole bill redone myself, now that we're a little calmer.

I think there are provisions worth keeping - for example, it makes sense in this day and age that an agency could get wiretap authority for all phones owned or used on a regular basis by a suspect with a blanket warrant.

7 posted on 07/24/2003 10:11:48 AM PDT by dirtboy (Free Sabertooth!)
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To: ellery
The warrants must be approved by a judge and are permitted in limited circumstances.

That kind of undercuts the "unbridled authority" assertion doesn't it?

8 posted on 07/24/2003 10:11:51 AM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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To: TigersEye
What "unbridled authority" assertion?
9 posted on 07/24/2003 10:15:10 AM PDT by ellery
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To: dirtboy
Agree -- some provisions make sense. Another example is allowing intelligence agents to use public sources such as the Internet.
10 posted on 07/24/2003 10:16:48 AM PDT by ellery
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To: TigersEye
According to the Act, the Judge must grant the warrant if law inforcement merely claims it is to be used in an on-going terrorist investigation...no burden of proof on LE at all.
11 posted on 07/24/2003 10:19:03 AM PDT by KDD
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To: ellery
Just as some of the concepts with TIA make sense - mostly, improving federal data mining and analysis techniques. But they need to work with their existing data, not add petabytes more of data to a flow they can't already process.
12 posted on 07/24/2003 10:19:45 AM PDT by dirtboy (Free Sabertooth!)
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13 posted on 07/24/2003 11:35:07 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: steve50
It was passed unread under panic circumstances, not grounds for good lawmaking.

A dose of opportunism,however well meaning it may have been. It appears to me that more debate would be welcome, especially since the GOP is split 50-50 on it. To hell with the demoncrats, I'd at least like to hear GOPers whom I respect debate both sides of the Patriot Act.

14 posted on 07/24/2003 11:50:52 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Brian S
"Our success in preventing another catastrophic attack on the U.S. homeland would have been much more difficult, if not impossible, without several of the provisions of that act," FBI Director Robert Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday.

Very few of the suspects are LEGAL residents...

Mueller's claim is A VULGAR LIE! Impossible. Hah! What it would have taken is for the FBI, Justice, and the WH to DEFEND THE LAW AND LIVE UP TO THEIR OATHS! Remove all illegal aliens from the country.
15 posted on 07/24/2003 1:16:20 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
bttt
16 posted on 07/24/2003 4:08:56 PM PDT by Brian S ("Mount up everybody and ride to the sound of the gun!")
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