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To: Willie Green
"Seems to me that YOU'RE the one babbling a lot of incoherent nonsense about "the will of the people" and ideology not making any difference."

Well Willie, I have my reasons for that, and I will readily admit my advantage over you, mine is not a "chance of birth" citizenship, I had to earn mine.

I had to earn it by understanding it, and the underlying principles...specifically that principle which commands the Federal government to acquiesce to the will of the people.

You see Willie, the first three words of the U.S. Constitution arer the single most important words in that venerable document: "We the people...", and that's never changed.

I realize that you believe that this idea of government by the will of the people is nonsense, I disagree, as did my role model:

"From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden." -- Ronald Reagan

Maybe you should read considerably less Winnie The Pooh.

193 posted on 08/03/2003 2:50:14 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am legion.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Yeah, yeah, whatever you say, Calypso Louie.
Bubba Klinton could put on a majestic display of superficial patriotism just as easily.
199 posted on 08/03/2003 3:27:19 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Well Willie, I have my reasons for that, and I will readily admit my advantage over you, mine is not a "chance of birth" citizenship, I had to earn mine.

Fraud.

There you go again, attempting to minimize those that were born here, with the "chance of birth citizenship" insinuating that it is somehow substandard, or somehow lacking compared to those that were too weak to make their own countries better, too weak to fight the socialism and tyranny in their own countries, too weak to stand up to the dictators, so you like many others, decide to come here and run down, and talk crap to American citizens. You didn't have the guts to stand in your own country and take a stand. Apparently none of your people back home have the guts either. What are they waiting for? American blood to be shed so they can call themselves free?

I had to earn it by understanding it, and the underlying principles...specifically that principle which commands the Federal government to acquiesce to the will of the people.

You earned nothing. True American's, those of us that are awake, those of us that were born here, those of us that are veterans, can see that as time marches on, the Federal government has no intention of acquiescing to the will of the people. In light of what ever loser country you happen to come, you still seem to think that what ever you were told in your PC, fast track citizenship class, that it is all somehow true.

If you had any guts at all, you would get back on your boat and head back to your home country and make it right. You like so many others come here and beat your gums about the government as if our government is somehow all innocent and good. *Our* Founding Fathers warned us about much of what we are witnessing today.

You see Willie, the first three words of the U.S. Constitution arer the single most important words in that venerable document: "We the people...", and that's never changed.

There you go, referring back to your fast track citizenship class. It has changed Mr. fast track citizen. Lawyers and special interest groups, large corporations, are dragging this nation into the gutter, and have been for many years. The will of the people wanted our borders secured, and our sovereignty protected. The government told us to piss off. The government is almost in every aspect of our lives, and gets worse every year. They have told the people to F-off.

I realize that you believe that this idea of government by the will of the people is nonsense, I disagree, as did my role model:

Your roll model Ronald Reagan, if he could see Texas, California, Arizona, Tennessee, Indiana, Georgia, and many other states *today*, that are being completely over run by this out of control, government sponsored invasion of our borders, and immigration free for all. Where thousands are sworn in at once in stadium events, Reagan would have turned your boat around in short order.

Reagan today, would have probably told you and millions of others to stay the hell put in you're own damn countries and make you're own countries right, instead of doing the easy thing and coming to America. Like Americans did.

Who knows, you could have even made a difference in your own country, but that is probably unlikely, as it take guts to go up against tin horn dictators, and you, by your actions of coming here on the fast track citizenship seminar, would have probably been working for the dictators, back home, while singing a different tune. Try going back where you came from, and creating a roll model in your own country, stand up the tyrants if you have the guts, make your own country right even if it means dying. And when you do, if you do, then you can come back and tell us how you *earned* freedom in your own country.

You are typical of most foreigners that have arrived here in the last 30 years or so. They walk in here, and if everything doesn't go their way, they start getting vile, calling others names and routinely pulling the race card. Like you did with me and others. You called me a nazi, racist, bigot, kkk member and you never could prove any of those vile, nasty, dirty false accusations. You are so damn typical and nazi like. Your method of operation is very similar to the nazis. Attempting to silence others that don't fit your agenda, with wild false accusations. Nazis did the same exact thing, they attempted to silence others at all cost. Just like you. Go back to where you came from, and earn your own freedom, in your own damn country, go make it right,instead of standing on the backs of dead Americans that fought for our own freedom here. Go back home and do it if you have the guts.

Beaten on your keyboard all day wont get it. Your going to have to spill some of your own blood if you want it. My guess is you'll be here tomorrow, playing fast track citizen.....

209 posted on 08/03/2003 4:30:15 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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