[Labyrinthos]

DU is the place for you!

No thank you. Please don't misunderstand: Although I know that every gun owning Freeper could hit and disable a moving target thirty yards away with one shot every time, NYC is something like 99% democrap/Rino. The reality of the situation is that not every law abiding citizen in NYC is capable of properly using a gun under fire, although most of them probably think they can. As a result, for every bad guy that goes down, there may be one or two good guys that go down with him. I bet when all is said and done, one or more of today's victims was maimed not by the bad guy, but by trained security guys who fired back.

[HairOfTheDog]

You are right that a crowded situation is a tough place to call for everyone to begin firing to stop a crime... I think the point that is valid is that fewer perps would ~try~ to go into a public place shooting if they thought everyone in the room might be armed. It is the psychology of 'gun free zones'.

[Area51]

To: Area51

DU is the place for you!

No thank you. Please don't misunderstand: Although I know that every gun owning Freeper could hit and disable a moving target thirty yards away with one shot every time, NYC is something like 99% democrap/Rino. The reality of the situation is that not every law abiding citizen in NYC is capable of properly using a gun under fire, although most of them probably think they can. As a result, for every bad guy that goes down, there may be one or two good guys that go down with him. I bet when all is said and done, one or more of today's victims was maimed not by the bad guy, but by trained security guys who fired back.


452 posted on 07/23/2003 1:05 PM PDT by Labyrinthos

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Those that can't shouldn't. But those of us that can and will, should not be restricted because of what may happen.
Because we do know what DOES happen. Wackos targeting unarmed people.

[SauronOfMordor]

Although I know that every gun owning Freeper could hit and disable a moving target thirty yards away with one shot every time, NYC is something like 99% democrap/Rino. The reality of the situation is that not every law abiding citizen in NYC is capable of properly using a gun under fire, although most of them probably think they can. As a result, for every bad guy that goes down, there may be one or two good guys that go down with him.

Pennsylvania is a "shall issue" state, with several hundred thousand concealed-carry-permit holders. Some large number of CCW-holders work in Philadelphia, and carry there. Downtown Philly, while not as crowded as mid-Manhatten at rush hour, is still a high-density urban area. We have not had any incidents that I know of regarding a CCW holder firing wildly and hitting innocent bystanders. Same deal with Pittsburg. Florida is another state with "shall-issue" CCW, and I've not seen any reports of innocents being shot in downtown Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Ft Lauderdale, or other major areas. Considering how anti-gun the press is, I'm sure I would have heard (over and over) if any such incidents had occurred.

CCW holders tend to be MORE serious about being trained, given the potential liability, than the average cop does. From talking to people who train cops, and supervise their yearly qualifier shoots at the range (a cop must demonstrate he can hit the target once per year), the average cop tends to not spend much time practicing on the range and tends to be an inaccurate shot.