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To: thatdewd
Who cares what YOU mean by a term. Words have common meanings, those are the ones I am concerned about not some cockamayme bs from you.

Madison's draft of the FA was junked by Hamilton. Washington had little use for the author after he and Jefferson went on a sabotage course against the Washington Administration. All experts on the matter (something foreign to you no doubt) agree that the Address is the work of Hamilton with a little tinkering by George. Of course, I am well aware of all the expert discussion of the address's origins and the passing back and forth between H and W.

The entire thrust of the document was changed from Madison's and the warnings against foreign entanglements are directed pointed at the Madison/Jefferson alignment with France. They are also TOTALLY in accord with Hamilton's views of foreign policy. Washington did tone that part down a bit as H had made the connection more explicit.

It is false that W and H had "drifted apart" nothing could be further from the truth particularly that such a thing would have come over policy differences. STILL WAITING for the evidence of such a split or differences between the two men. That LIE is easily shown to be so by the FACT that when W was asked to take over the Army again under the Adams' administration's "phoney war" against France, he refused to do so UNLESS H was made second in command. This was something Adams was desperate to avoid but it was forced down his throat by W.

The only "apartness" between the two was that H had left the government. Another proof of the stupidity of your comment is the FACT that W wanted to appoint H to be Chief Justice but H couldn't afford to take the post. Do you just make up stuff out of thin air or is there some deluded quack you depend on for it?
764 posted on 09/04/2003 8:47:43 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Who cares what YOU mean by a term. Words have common meanings, those are the ones I am concerned about not some cockamayme bs from you.

LOL, you knew what I meant by the term, you just have no recourse now but to dance in circles with your word games, pants-less I might add.

Washington had little use for the author [Madison] after he and Jefferson went on a sabotage course against the Washington Administration.

LOL, I just love it when you snap and spew crap like that...

...I know you don't really care, but I will respond to the rest of your inane blathering in a few days. Right now I have to go catch a plane and will be 'out of pocket' until Monday.

766 posted on 09/04/2003 10:32:00 AM PDT by thatdewd
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Madison's draft of the FA was junked by Hamilton.

False. The draft Washington gave Hamilton to work with was the Madison draft that Washington had made additions to. Hamilton made an outline of the ideas it contained (mostly MADISON's), and then worked up his own draft based on those (mostly MADISON's) ideas. Washington had instructed Hamilton that whatever Hamilton wrote must be "predicated upon the Sentiments" contained in the draft he supplied him with, the document that was primarily Madison's. Washington did NOT just go with the Hamilton draft, like many revisionist historians would have you believe. Instead, he took Madison's draft and Hamilton's draft and made his own out of them both. What the Hamiltonian revisionist zealots don't want anyone to know is that the very ideas that Washington restricted Hamilton to working with were MADISON's. Hamilton's draft was limited to Madison's and Washington's ideas. Madison at the first, Madison in the middle, and Madison at the end. Who contributed more to the address? Madison by far. Madison and Washington contributed the ideas, and Hamilton's job was to make it sound pretty.

All experts on the matter (something foreign to you no doubt) agree that the Address is the work of Hamilton with a little tinkering by George.

No, they don't. See above. I would also suggest that you study history, and not historians. A simple review of 'The Papers of George Washington' should correct your mistaken ideas on this subject.

Of course, I am well aware of all the expert discussion of the address's origins and the passing back and forth between H and W.

Yes, there was much passing back and forth between Washington and Hamilton regarding H's draft based on Madison's ideas. Washington amended H's draft over and over and over again before just writing his own based on Madison's original draft and the heavily amended Hamilton draft based on Madison's key ideas.

The entire thrust of the document was changed from Madison's and the warnings against foreign entanglements are directed pointed at the Madison/Jefferson alignment with France.

LOL, that's just BS, see above. BTW, why don't you think the warnings are directed at Hamilton's alignment with Britain, and his desire for the US to declare war on France?

They are also TOTALLY in accord with Hamilton's views of foreign policy.

LOL, you mean like all his clamoring for the US to side with Britain and declare war on France?

The only "apartness" between the two was that H had left the government.

They were not as close at the end as they had been earlier. Hamilton's endless antics and troublemaking fueled the fires of party politics, something anathema to Washington. Hamilton's obviously hateful opinion of the common man was something else Washington was put off by, even more at the end. I'm not saying they weren't still friends, or that Washington stopped dealing with him. I'm only pointing out that they weren't as close at the end as they were earlier. Washington had great faith in H's abilities, but he was more sensitive of Hamilton's many negative attributes later on than he was earlier. After H resigned his post in Washington's administration, he only increased in his destructive activities, until someone shut him up, that is.

Do you just make up stuff out of thin air or is there some deluded quack you depend on for it?

The fact that you consider untwisted and unrevised history to be so devised is the greatest validation my position could ever receive.

810 posted on 09/09/2003 5:12:32 PM PDT by thatdewd
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