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To: justshutupandtakeit
Hamilton was a master negoitator determined to obtain as strong a govenment as possible he IN NO WAY WAS a monarchist. The Randolph Plan was mired down and not going anywhere, H.'s spoke of a government EVEN STRONGER than the one under the Randolph plan which jolted the delegates into approving the Randolph Plan the NEXT DAY.

The convention did not approve the Randolph plan on the 19th - they rejected the New Jersey plan, resuming debate on the Virgina plan. Which still needed the 'Great Compromise' of the Convention to be acceptable to the smaller states.

But what insight! A win/win situation for you - Hamilton arguing for a plan that was adopted would mean he supported it. Hamilton arguing for a different plan means he really supported the other. Either way Hamilton wins, or does he? Hamilton chanced being forever remembered as a monarchist to force an acceptance of something less? Hamilton was the ONLY person advocating a monarchy:

Dr. JOHNSON. On a comparison of the two plans which had been proposed from Virginia and New Jersey, it appeared that the peculiarity which characterized the latter was its being calculated to preserve the individuality of the states. The plan from Virginia did not profess to destroy this individuality altogether, but was charged with such a tendency. One gentleman alone, (Col. Hamilton,) in his animadversions on the plan of New Jersey, boldly and decisively contended for an abolition of the state governments.
Elliot's Debates Vol. V, p. 220.

HAMILTON: "Let one branch of the Legislature hold their places for life or at least during good behaviour. Let the Executive also be for life."
The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787 reported by James Madison, 18 Jun 1787, Vol. I, p. 288.

Now who voted for what?

Good thing you are not negoitiating with such a genius or you would be wondering where your pants went.

You might not be a genius, but I am - a member of Mensa. Touche.

755 posted on 09/02/2003 7:26:06 PM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Mensa meansa nothing should I wish I could be one too by any standard: IQ, SAT scores, charming demeanor.

Hamilton was that brilliant everyone admitted it even those who hated his guts. However, he was NOT a monarchist no matter who tells that LIE. He did believe in a permanent National Interest and hoped that role would be served by the Senate.

Plus, all debate at the convention was explicitly to be kept secret so ideas presented there could not be used against their expositors. He changed his mind about the utility of States though never wished them to be too strong.
756 posted on 09/03/2003 8:49:34 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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