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To: southern cross forever
What an outrageous, ignorant lie. Why don't you study the history of the Democratic party in the North? Ever hear of the "spoils system." To the Victor belongs the spoils. Whose slogan was that? Hint: it was at least 20 yrs before the GOP was even formed.

Government land to citizens and even non citizens was older than the Republican party. The best proposal was for the 40 acres to come from the confiscated properties of the Slavers. Now THAT would have been justice!

Oh, and there was NO necessity to buy Black votes after the War. Blacks knew very well which party had been created to fight slavery, had fought the RAT inspired rebellion, had murdered thousands of Blacks after the War. It wasn't Republicans who went on a Reign of TError but democRATs. Nor was it Republicans who disenfranchised Blacks, it was the RATS.
58 posted on 07/23/2003 2:36:13 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: HamiltonJay; Southack
This may be of interest to you.
59 posted on 07/23/2003 2:37:26 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Hamilton never argued for a BIG government centralized or no. He did want a government capable of national defense and national development. You can not point to one word of a Hamilton argument for a monarch. Discussions reported second hand, and out of context at the Constitutional Convention don't count. Show me where Hamilton argued for a monarch.

Mr. Hamilton’s ‘plan of government’ speaks for itself:

A Federal judiciary, serving for life;

A Federal executive, serving for life;

A Federal senate, serving for life;

And an absolute Federal veto over every State law.

It’s really quite amusing: what could have been Mr. Hamilton’s greatest contribution to the republic, a ‘plan of government,’ is something the ‘Hamilton groupies’ tend to avoid like the plague. Given the nature of his proposal - and its absolute and utter rejection by the constitutional convention - that’s certainly not a big surprise...

Love of fantasies overrides concern with the truth.

That would seem to describe your apparent preference for a central government bureaucracy ‘serving for life’...

Hamilton pushed for a strong government and one of the ways he achieved it was to propose one even stronger than what he knew would be acceptable. Like a negoitiator asking for a pay raise far higher than he knew he could get.

Care to provide a few quotes from Mr. Hamilton that might substantiate your claims? “Discussions reported second hand, and out of context at the Constitutional Convention don't count”...

Government land to citizens and even non citizens was older than the Republican party.

Absolutely correct: in an effort to promote a Federal union, the State of Virginia donated land (that extended as far as the future State of Minnesota) to the common Federal government, on the condition that the land be granted to veterans of the War of Secession from Britain...

;>)

68 posted on 07/23/2003 5:34:07 PM PDT by Who is John Galt?
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Exactly! The Democrat/Conferates of the 1860s have their apologists in the neo-Confederates disguising themselves as Republicans.
73 posted on 07/23/2003 7:15:55 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Sticks and stones baby, sticks and stones ,whatever. All i was saying was that as long as negros have had voting rights not all but most of them have voted for the party that would give them a handout. True they may have stuck with the Republican party in the early years which is understandable because the Republican party was responsible for securing their freedom "in their eyes". But after the democrats became the socialist welfare party the negros were more that happy to jump ship and go their way. which is sad because the Republican party has had a much better record on civil rights than the democrats, and they must have forgot about all the terrible things that the democrats had done to them in the past . About that you were correct without a doubt. And i will concede that my original statement was a silly generalization which i should have expounded on.
187 posted on 07/24/2003 11:35:52 AM PDT by southern cross forever
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