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To: justshutupandtakeit; GOPcapitalist
His thinking was far too subtle and complex to be properly captured by the caricatures and cartoonish labels of those who hated him or did not understand his work. He was head and shoulders above any of his critics, of that day OR ours, in economic, and financial understanding.

Isn't this getting a little bit out of hand? Your non-argument can be made of anything that is pronounced a stupid idea. "You'd be on board if you only understood it, but it's too complex for you, serf." Horse crap... this country ("The People" of the constitution) was not willing to grant Hamilton his wish of an American reflection of the British government.

However, his infant industry tariff was not what is typically referred to today as "protectionism." Protectionism, as is generally known, uses the tariff to protect mature industries from competition,

Nowhere in discussion of protectionism that I have found does a distinction exist between mature and infant industries. Such would seem impossible.

Where did you get the idea that capitalism EVER arose and attained any significant size without close involvement with a government?

Too easy: By watching the disastrous results of government intervention. I do not deny that government provides a role in generating a safe and (politically) stable environment in which the market can work, but that is its job - direct market intervention does not have to be.

Hamilton may have been more inclined to use government power to assist economic development than you but I suggest that is because Hamilton had a much greater understanding of what the situation was and what must be done to allow the US to become stong enough to remain free and independent.

Reduced to serf status (I'm sure as you and Hamilton would both have it), and as such, are incapable of comprehending his 'great understanding' and 'subtle thought' yadda yadda? Get over it. If I wrote a 60 page analysis of the equation "1 + 1 = 5" and then told you that you were an imbecile and needed to just accept it as fact regardless of the obvious flaws in my thinking, I'm guessing you would be properly outraged.

You have none of those concerns

It appears as though you are wrong about this one, unless people accept your axioms:

1. Wealth is created by government.
2. Protectionism is the best way to advance industry.
3. People are too stupid to understand basic economics.
4. People require coersion to be productive.
5. The intent of the founders was to create an all-powerful fedgov.
6. The constitution contains only Hamilton's blueprint and all that Jeffersonian nonsense was included to 'sell' the constitution and be immediately overturned by fedgov.
7... it goes on, but I'm already close to ralfing on the keyboard.

269 posted on 07/25/2003 10:26:46 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni
No it isn't getting out of hand when I have had to correct statement after statement which are based on incomplete statements of H, statements either distorted or entirely false. I have no problem discussing mistakes or failures in his programs or ideas but it is annoying to have the Classics Comics versions thrown up time after time by those who know they are false. And it is a waste of my time. Honest criticism after actually reading what the man said or what experts on H (pro or anti) say. Not some warmed over Jeffersonian lies. The form of the American government is very much like the English so he wasn't too far off.

You have never read of "infant industry protection?" Read more.

Perhaps you are unaware that H's program and call for government intervention was specifically to repair an economy deliberately distorted by the Crown's colonial policies which did not allow the growth of industry. He had no wish for government intervention after that distortion was corrected.

Since H's program lead directly to the dynamic and explosive growth of the modern American economy I would suggest that your 1+1=5 analogy is entirely inappropriate. Although if Lincoln disagreed I am sure GOPcrapitalist would be there to provide reams of illogical, distorted and false support for your argument.

Stick to my comments and don't try and saddle me with your caricatures and false statements.
1 Government can certainly assist the creation of wealth and has;
2 I suggest reading any of my posts and show me where I have supported protectionism rather than argue against tariffs. What is it that provokes you and the others to LIE about what I have said when all can see it is false?
3 Don't confuse my opinion of the D.S. brigade with "people" in general. While some D.S.s appear to be too stupid to understand much of anything others are just mendacious cranks who try and distort, or lie about things.
4 "People require coersion to be productive." ? Rave on son it is getting funnier by the minute. That was the SLAVERS view of labor not the Ur-capitalist, Alexander Hamilton, or mine.
5 None of the founders, including the H-man, wanted "an all powerful fedgov." Cartoonish distortions and grotesque caricatures don't make it true.
6 There was nothing Jeffersonian in the Constitution. How did you come up with THAT howler. He was in Paris and Madison was as Federalist as Hamilton at that time.

"Ralfing" on the keyboard would be an improvement over what you are currently typing.
278 posted on 07/25/2003 12:48:23 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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