Posted on 07/23/2003 10:03:09 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
Do you include anything about the republicans clamoring for disunion/secession from the South before the war? Anyhing at all where Garrison et al call the Constitution a compact with the devil? Or that it was a covenant with death and agreement with hell?
Just wondering.
Were it not for the votes of RINOs such as Specter and Chafee, Bill Clinton's presidency may have ended around 1999. Your blind adoration for all people who claim the Republican title, leftists included, inhibits your ability to pursue a conservative agenda.
Yeah, cause Tennessee was on the border and had divided loyalties, though still a minority of unionists. Go deeper south though. Check Alabama, Georgia, Texas, and the Carolinas. Check Mississippi and Arkansas. Check the heart of dixie - at most you will find a few thousand, if not a few dozen. You claimed 100,000 soldiers served yet that number simply isn't supportable.
I make no claims of expertise on those numbers. I simply looked up the easily accessable records of the United States Government and found that the grand total from ALL sections of the country is about 178,000. I also looked up the breakdown by state and the south makes up only about 50% of those, not the 200,000 number you frequently pull out of thin air and post as if it were fact.
yet give credence to absurdities such as black rebel soldiers.
Both confederate and union records indicate that there were as do many corroborated historical accounts. To deny that they existed or call their existence an "absurdity" is to fib about historical fact.
Further, while you count white rebels from the non-CSA states in the Confederate ranks as southerners
I don't believe I've made any specific claims of soldier counts for the south, CSA and non-CSA states included. Most historians put the grand total somewhere in the 800K to 1.2M range but due to lack of records on the confederate side precise numbers are difficult to know. As for the counts by state, it seems that the fairest way is to tabulate first by non-border and non-contested states. That generally means that the starting totals for both sides should exclude Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland where the populations split both ways. Excluding those three states, the northern ones went almost entirely northern and the southern ones went almost entirely southern.
you do not count blacks from non-CSA southerner states in the Unions ranks.
Uh, yes I do. There were about 178,000 blacks TOTAL from ALL states in the yankee ranks. Roughly one half of those were from the CSA proper. BOTH numbers are less than your absurd claim of 200,000, which not only exceeds by double the number of southern blacks in the union army but also exceed the TOTAL number of northern black troops from ALL states. It is therefore a false statistic.
To gain some credibility on this subject, read Lincoln's Loyalists by Richard N. Current.
No need to. I can just as easily look to the official records themselves and find that your numbers are wrong. If you desire credibility of your own I advise that you similarly look to those records. The yankee military records survived the war intact and are easy to tabulate. Add them up and you get about 178,000 blacks total.
Last I checked Kolbe wasn't in the senate and therefore could not filibuster in the first place.
Exactly, and Partisan's stats aren't even right. There were not even 200,000 blacks in the entire federal army, much less southern blacks. Yet do you think that stops him from posting that number incessantly?
A few weeks ago The Economist made an editorial observation about the leaders of today's GOP. Under Reagan et al, the party advanced an ideology of "liberty" as realized by combatting the size of the state. Under Bush II, the party advances an ideology of "virtue" as realized by the exercise of power through the state. It's the best description of the difference between the two types of republicans that I have seen to date.
Last I checked, the confederate flag as an issue was on the winning side of statewide elections in three different southern states.
In Mississippi citizens overwhelmingly voted to keep it in their state flag. For the record, Mississippi consistently votes for the GOP presidential candidate and sends two republicans to the senate.
In South Carolina citizens threw out a Democrat governor who orchestrated a plot to remove the confederate flag from the capitol. For the record, South Carolina consistently votes for the GOP presidential candidate, has sent a Republican to the senate for almost half a century, and is about to replace its aging democrat segregationist leftover Fritz Hollings in 2004.
In Georgia citizens threw out a Democrat governor who removed confederate symbols from the state flag. Most analysts are in agreement that the unexpected GOP upset turned on the flag issue. For the record, Georgia is an up and coming Republican state that just elected a GOP governor and senator and also supported the Republican candidate for president.
That makes three states, Partisan, where Dixie has won and your PC mongering ilk has lost the popular vote. I have little doubt that were it put to a vote in any of the other CSA states similar results would follow.
It is not any of us who "overestimate" the politics of southerners around here. It is you who consistently underestimates them, just as Jim Hodges, Roy Barnes, Ronnie Musgrave, the DNC, the NAACP, the leftist media and everybody else who got it dead wrong in the Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina elections underestimated them.
As it stands right now you are 0 for 3 at the southern ballot box, yet you persist in telling those of us who live here that you know our electorates better than we do! Why is that, Partisan? What do you know about our electorate that we don't? And why, if what you say is true, has the exact opposite happened in three out of three elections where the confederate flag was a major issue? Many of us grew up here and have been involved in local politics for years if not decades. We know our states and we know their electorates. You do not.
You may know your own northern state's electorate and you may even succeed in predicting it. If you do, fine! I'm happy for you and happy that the GOP has one more voice in Maryland or Illinois or wherever you may be to help them guide that state in our direction. But don't think that what you know up there will work down here. Despite popular belief among those who reside there, yankeeland does not know everything. If you try to export what works up there to the south, if you try to run our campaigns and elections the way you run your own, if you give us candidates who reflect yankeeland values and not our own, and if you mess with Dixie, you will lose. You will continue to lose elections involving the flag just as you have lost all of them to date. And if you push us hard enough you will lose the votes that are not only beneficial but also now NECESSARY for a Republican to win the white house. The choice is yours.
No. Only in it's proper shere of enumerated/delegated powers. Only the Constitution & the laws PURSUANT to it are supreme. And the founders created a Supreme Court to handle such challeneges. The 9th & 10th reserve EVERYTHING not delegated to the federal behemouth nor prohibited to the states.
Garrison's name does not appear in the index.
There are 7 words quoted from Wendell Phillips on page 78. Leaving the old power structure in place, wrote abolitionist Wendell Phillips, "makes the negro's freedom a mere sham."
North and South did not really believe those truths expressed in the Declaration of Independence such as all men are created equal. In most states, women were prohibited from owning real property. The 19th Amendment giving women the right to vote became law in 1920.
They did not mean that all men were equal, and all were superior to women did they?
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