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Why Did the Bush Administration Really Decide to Invade Iraq?
National Security.org ^ | 07.12.03

Posted on 07/23/2003 8:02:37 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State

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To: Enemy Of The State
Public Law No: 107-243
41 posted on 07/23/2003 11:21:28 AM PDT by michigander
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To: Frances_Marion
Bingo. Iran does indeed have representatives who are elected, but they have no real power. The mullahs ignore them at will. To try to characterize this as a 'democracy' is an indication that everything this 'organization' stands for is suspect.
42 posted on 07/23/2003 11:23:12 AM PDT by Catalonia
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To: Frances_Marion
Iran, and Saudi Arabia should have been bombed on Sept 12, 2001. I could have waited on Iraq for a couple of years, however, the people behind 9/11 were the Saudis, and fanatic Ayatollahs. Now we are wasting our time and money rebuilding this hell hole called Iraq. THEY WILL NEVER LOVE US! We must grow up and accespt that fact! If you think the Palestenians will ever love the Jews, I have a bridge for sale.
43 posted on 07/23/2003 11:27:16 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123

He needed killin'


44 posted on 07/23/2003 11:29:35 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: sergeantdave
You're exactly right about Bagdad Disneyland.

Michael Eisner is desperate to find another location after last month's unfortunate incident at EuroDisney...During the fireworks display, the entire French staff surrendered.

45 posted on 07/23/2003 11:37:23 AM PDT by Deb (Do these jeans make my tag look big?)
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To: boris
We didn't do "Iraq first". Remember Afghanistan?
46 posted on 07/23/2003 11:39:31 AM PDT by Deb (Do these jeans make my tag look big?)
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To: gcruse
The "avenge the father" argument is the dumbest thing the Democrats, the Marxist Islamics and the Looney Libertarians ever came up with, since GW's removal of Saddam risked making his Father look like a weak warrior who couldn't get the job done even with the UN. Of all the stupid, desperate reasons destructive minds could come up with...this is the most hilarious.

It's interesting that you and the writer of this obvious Onion piece, agree with Baghdad Bob.

47 posted on 07/23/2003 11:48:32 AM PDT by Deb (Do these jeans make my tag look big?)
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To: Deb
Nice rant. Had we attacked Saudi Arabia, I'd agree with you.
All else is spin and wishful thinking, not born out by facts on the ground, ie, the vaporbombs.
48 posted on 07/23/2003 11:55:11 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: gcruse
Oh, yeah...the Saudis are the problem. Not a very graceful dodge. You and facts are total strangers.
49 posted on 07/23/2003 11:59:02 AM PDT by Deb (Do these jeans make my tag look big?)
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To: Deb
Oh, yeah...the Saudis are the problem. Not a very
 graceful dodge. You and facts are total strangers.


Really?  Iraqis attacked the Trade Center?
50 posted on 07/23/2003 12:03:43 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: gcruse
Saudis and Egyptians radicalized in Hanford Germany and London, England.

The Saudi terrorists left SA as medical students and then left Germany full blown Islamic radicals.

If you know anything about the Saudis, you know the Royal family has been hugely pro-American since before Reagan. The population includes lots of looney Islamic radicals. As many people who have studied the area know and have written about, bin Laden and his group hate the Saudi Royal family as much or more than they hate us. There has been a price on bin Laden's head there for ten years. Likewise Egypt.

His main biographer said on FOX that bin Laden picked Saudis and Egyptians to carry out 9/11 in order to turn us against our allies and his main enemies. He's done it before.

You're just spewing crap you've heard that supports your own ignorance. If you really cared, you could educate yourself.

51 posted on 07/23/2003 12:24:31 PM PDT by Deb (Do these jeans make my tag look big?)
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To: Deb
I won't try to rewrite the article atop this thread, since I agree with it. You can 'educate' them.
52 posted on 07/23/2003 12:39:41 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: billbears
Considering how many WMDs 'intelligence' reports said Saddam had, you'd think they would have found them by now don't you? How can you disarm when you don't have anything to disarm?

I think it's specious to believe he had nothing to disarm. I rather suspect we're going to find out, in time, exactly what happened to the WMD. My guess is they went to Syria, or were secreted within Iraq and only a very few people know (knew) where.

Don't forget, he booted the UN in 1998 when they uncovered WMD.

It is (was) there.

Finding actual WMD is a moot point. Saddam's done.

53 posted on 07/23/2003 1:06:46 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: IncPen
Finding actual WMD is a moot point. Saddam's done.

Of course it is, now. Especially since the administration has changed from 'immediate threat' to WMDs to WMD 'programs'. First they were there ready to be fired and now they may not even have been in existence, just the material to possibly make them.

54 posted on 07/23/2003 1:37:15 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
First they were there ready to be fired and now they may not even have been in existence, just the material to possibly make them.

Considering the bag of lunatics that comprise your average middle eastern country, the material alone is reason enough to snuff the regime.

If nothing else, we've cleaned up some slop, knocked a few rogues back on their heels and made 'the street' think twice before messing with us.

Unless someone has some compelling reason why Saddam should still be in power (aside from, let's say, his internal reign of terror) I'm still hard-pressed to find the downside.

Let the handwringers wring their hands. I think we did the world a service, and ourselves too. How often does that happen?

55 posted on 07/23/2003 2:15:18 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: IncPen
Considering the bag of lunatics that comprise your average middle eastern country, the material alone is reason enough to snuff the regime.

But they haven't found any material yet either except for some bags of beans...

If nothing else, we've cleaned up some slop, knocked a few rogues back on their heels and made 'the street' think twice before messing with us.

Wow, you know I'm absolutely sure that's not what the intent was originally of the Armed Forces. Forget defense, just go out and get some respect?

Unless someone has some compelling reason why Saddam should still be in power (aside from, let's say, his internal reign of terror) I'm still hard-pressed to find the downside.

Mind you, I'm glad in a way Hussein is gone as well, however it's quite evident what the downside is. Or are brave men and women of the Armed Forces after the end of the war being murdered in Iraq for a reason?

Let the handwringers wring their hands. I think we did the world a service, and ourselves too. How often does that happen?

Exactly how did we 'do ourselves' a service? If the WMDs aren't there, all that happened was the subjugation of a third world nation. And all the while Saudi Arabia, our 'ally', continues its support of Hamas and North Korea builds more bombs. Of course N Korea is probably the only nation with a worse human rights campaign and they have WMDs.

56 posted on 07/23/2003 2:30:44 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
But they haven't found any material yet either except for some bags of beans...

Senator Warner, among others, begs to differ. Patience.

Wow, you know I'm absolutely sure that's not what the intent was originally of the Armed Forces. Forget defense, just go out and get some respect?

The concept of 'getting respect' was laid out clearly in the Bush Doctrine. If you didn't like September 11th, the Doctrine is the remedy. Unless you have a better idea.

Mind you, I'm glad in a way Hussein is gone as well, however it's quite evident what the downside is. Or are brave men and women of the Armed Forces after the end of the war being murdered in Iraq for a reason?

Yes. Freedom is not free. That the thugs are willing to try a war of attrition is a surprise to noone, except those who ignore both sides of history. Doing the right thing is not easy, and it's infinitely more important to do the right thing when it's not easy.

Exactly how did we 'do ourselves' a service?

I don't know about you, but I'm less worried about an Iraqi-funded attack on the US than I was, say 6 moths ago. And I'm sure that the families of the homicide bombers in Israel are discomfited having to look elsewhere for the $15,000 checks that Saddam was sending each of them. How's that for a start?

If the WMDs aren't there, all that happened was the subjugation of a third world nation.

A third world nation with all the potential in the world (oil) bottled up in one person's maniacal psychosis. And I'm not talking about Iraqi oil for us, I'm talking about Iraqi oil for Iraq. Is Saddam's not truer subjugation than what we have wrought?

And all the while Saudi Arabia, our 'ally', continues its support of Hamas

We'll see about that...

and North Korea builds more bombs. Of course N Korea is probably the only nation with a worse human rights campaign and they have WMDs.

North Korea announced their nuclear program after our buildup against Saddam was under way. North Korea can be brought to heel by China via our economic vise. China needs our business, not the other way around. It is appealing but simple-minded to compare Iraq and NK; they're completely different situations.

57 posted on 07/23/2003 2:52:29 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: Enemy Of The State
This is particularly the case since it has become increasingly clear in retrospect that Iraq did not pose anything resembling the imminent threat to the United States that President Bush repeatedly alleged that it did prior to the US invasion.

Geez, these libs are either viscious or STUPID. Were'nt they LISTENING when we were debating the use of a PRE-EMPTIVE strike? The whole point of this debate was that we COULD NOT WAIT for the threat to be imminent. Bush many times said that while it was not now an imminent threat, that the cost of waiting for the threat to become imminent would be to high. That's the whole point. Now they want to revise history (surprise, surprise) to say that Bush was claiming the threat WAS imminent. He was not.
58 posted on 07/23/2003 3:24:58 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: zencycler; All
In all honesty, I did not support the invasion of Iraq for the reasons of WMD because I felt and still do that it was simply an excuse to further an agenda. However, I did give my support for the long term effects which are now starting to show. Take for example the Iranian students protesting for Democracy, Syria expelling Iraqi members of government, Palestinans and Israelis at the peace table...ect..

This would not be happening if the worlds strongest military was not in their back yard.
59 posted on 07/23/2003 3:44:35 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State (If we don't take action now, We settle for nothing later!)
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To: Poohbah; Catspaw; dighton; BlueLancer
Grrrrrrr.......
60 posted on 07/23/2003 3:46:53 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever...)
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