[Ramius]

I have a tool that, if you can boot on it, will crack all the passwords complex or otherwise on a windows, NT, 2K or XP box. That's why we don't rely on local windows hashes to protect networks.

Network managers need those tools though, to get *back* into machines when the @#$%@#$ user has flummoxed the whole thing up while they were drunk in their hotel room.

And just for the record... give anybody worth their salt physical access to a unix or linux box and they'll own that one too. It ain't a windows thing. It's a computer thing. Systems Security doesn't mean cutting off all possible access once you have physical control of the box. You wouldn't want that, even if you could get it.

[tortoise]

And just for the record... give anybody worth their salt physical access to a unix or linux box and they'll own that one too.

That depends on how it is set up. I have a highly secure FreeBSD system that all the physical access in the world won't give you access to. Your ideas on security have been polluted by conventional practice.