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Kerry Says 'False Pride' Holding Bush Back in Iraq; urges Bush to seek UN support in Iraq
Reuters ^ | 07-21-03

Posted on 07/21/2003 2:42:00 PM PDT by Brian S

Kerry Says 'False Pride' Holding Bush Back in Iraq

Mon July 21, 2003 04:14 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender John Kerry urged the Bush administration on Monday to seek U.N. support in stabilizing Iraq and questioned if "false pride" was delaying the move.

Kerry, a Massachusetts senator who is one of nine Democrats vying to challenge President Bush in 2004, told reporters the help of other nations was crucial in helping stabilize post-war Iraq.

He said "my blood boiled over" when he read in the New York Times on Saturday that some in the Bush administration might consider it humiliating to go to the United Nations for help after bypassing the world body before going to war in Iraq.

"You don't make a decision about protecting your own troops and winning your objectives based on false pride," he said in a conference call with reporters.

Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War veteran, said half of the names of the dead enshrined on the Vietnam war memorial in Washington stem "from the time that that kind of pride began to cloud the decisions in Vietnam."

The Bush administration has reacted coolly to suggestions that a new U.N. resolution could make it easier for nations to help Washington stabilize Iraq through troops or other means, saying existing resolutions give the U.N. cover to any country that wants to join the effort in Iraq.

Russia and other countries have suggested a new U.N. resolution might make countries more disposed to help.

Kerry said international help was crucial with American deaths continuing and the costs of policing the country mounting.

"Lives are at stake," he said. "We need to internationalize this and we need to do it now, we need to do it openly and we need to do it in order to defuse the sense of occupation and protect the troops."

Kerry, who supported a resolution giving Bush the authority to wage war in Iraq, has been critical of the administration's failure to gain wider international backing for the war effort.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: armchairgenerals; rebuildingiraq; stabilizationforce; un
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1 posted on 07/21/2003 2:42:01 PM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
What a hose.
2 posted on 07/21/2003 2:44:56 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Brian S
What the heck is "false pride"??
3 posted on 07/21/2003 2:45:45 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: Brian S
What a nauseatingly silly man.Ugh!
4 posted on 07/21/2003 2:48:01 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Brian S
What would be the downside of this plan?
5 posted on 07/21/2003 2:49:10 PM PDT by jern
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To: jern
I am beginning to believe that Democrats really want the US to fail and see as many deaths as possible.

It is really political power over national interest.
6 posted on 07/21/2003 2:50:46 PM PDT by joltinjoe
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To: Brian S
He said "my blood boiled over" when he read in the New York Times on Saturday that some in the Bush administration might consider it humiliating to go to the United Nations for help after bypassing the world body before going to war in Iraq.

Someone who belives unsourced accusations - from the NY Times no less - and "just happen" to fit the prejudices of the Times.

and he wants to be president.

7 posted on 07/21/2003 2:50:54 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: joltinjoe
I am beginning to believe that Democrats really want the US to fail and see as many deaths as possible.

It worked in VietNam. The trouble with that plan is that they assume that like them, we as a country, have learned nothing. If it were up to the educators, that would be the case. However, there are people with living memory of what it's like to live otherwise.

8 posted on 07/21/2003 2:54:16 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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To: jern
What would be the downside of this plan?

1. Confirms false accusations about the status of Iraq, its new council, and confirms American "failure."

2. The agenda is little about security, more about "reconstruction" - that is, France and Germany maintaining and continuing the "oil for food" program, and coercing Iraqis via UN aegis to reconfirm the lucrative French and German oil contracts reliant on Saddam's legitimacy.

They call him John "French" Kerry. I don't think he knows he's pro-French, he's just a useful idiot for their propaganda. And the lefties are receptive to the rhetoric since they want to bash Bush - which is about all they understand to do about any issue.

9 posted on 07/21/2003 2:55:02 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
And a new generation of brave, energetic and hopeful people coming up behind.

10 posted on 07/21/2003 2:55:37 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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To: Brian S
"He said "my blood boiled over" when he read in the New York Times on Saturday that some in the Bush administration might consider it humiliating to go to the United Nations for help after bypassing the world body before going to war in Iraq."

Ketchup Boy apparently doesn't remember us going to the UN and getting screwed. Therefore his tomato sauce is boiling.
11 posted on 07/21/2003 2:55:50 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Brian S
DO NOT DO WHAT KERRY SAYS! He is a democrat and as soon as you do what he recommends he will betray you saying that you were wrong not to do that in the first place, that you now see your error, that you were all wrong from the beginning, that you now need the UN to bail you out....DON'T DO IT!
12 posted on 07/21/2003 2:58:42 PM PDT by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're liberal democrats!)
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To: Brian S
Did he mention he was a vietnam verteran?

Whata dick.
13 posted on 07/21/2003 3:02:29 PM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: The Grammarian
What the heck is "false pride"??

Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.

Also, how does one tell "real pride" from "false pride," by flying flags, wearing lapel pins, singing patriotic songs? Oh, wait, the Left said that that was "jingoistic" and that flying flags and wearing pins made others feel uncoooooooooooomfortable.

-PJ

14 posted on 07/21/2003 3:11:46 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Brian S
In 1960 there were some who questioned if John Kennedy would be more loyal to the Pope.

Kerry should be asked if he would follow the Security Council over Congress.

15 posted on 07/21/2003 3:40:51 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: The Grammarian
The Grammarian wrote: What the heck is "false pride"??

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Being too stubborn and full of yourself to admit you've screwed up or to ask for help.

Tia

16 posted on 07/21/2003 3:43:04 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: tiamat
Being too stubborn and full of yourself to admit you've screwed up or to ask for help.

So how does that differ from "real" pride?

17 posted on 07/21/2003 4:22:44 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: Brian S
From the article: ~ He said "my blood boiled over" when he read in the New York Times

Kerry's quoting unnamed sources in the NY Times?

What a fool.

18 posted on 07/21/2003 5:11:31 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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The Grammarian wrote: So how does that differ from "real" pride?

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"Real" pride comes from competence. Or from a job well-done. Something genuine! Nothing wrong with that!

Tia

19 posted on 07/21/2003 5:44:44 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: tiamat
"Real" pride comes from competence. Or from a job well-done. Something genuine! Nothing wrong with that!

The way that Kerry uses the term "pride" is more indicative of a 'sinful' meaning to it, which doesn't lend to a 'true' and 'false' dichotomy. Pride is pride.

Also, if "false humility" is truly pride, then why isn't "false pride" true humility?

20 posted on 07/21/2003 6:57:25 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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