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Iranian Alert -- DAY 42 -- LIVE THREAD PING LIST
The Iranian Student Movement Up To The Minute Reports ^ | 7.21.2003 | DoctorZin

Posted on 07/21/2003 12:19:48 AM PDT by DoctorZIn

The regime is working hard to keep the news about the protest movment in Iran from being reported.

From jamming satellite broadcasts, to prohibiting news reporters from covering any demonstrations to shutting down all cell phones and even hiring foreign security to control the population, the regime is doing everything in its power to keep the popular movement from expressing its demand for an end of the regime.

These efforts by the regime, while successful in the short term, do not resolve the fundamental reasons why this regime is crumbling from within.

Iran is a country ready for a regime change. If you follow this thread you will witness, I believe, the transformation of a nation. This daily thread provides a central place where those interested in the events in Iran can find the best news and commentary.

Please continue to join us here, post your news stories and comments to this thread.

Thanks for all the help.

DoctorZin


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; iran; iranianalert; protests; studentmovement; warlist
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To: dixiechick2000; DoctorZIn; nuconvert; Valin; BeforeISleep; piasa; McGavin999; seamole; rontorr; ...
EU warns Iran it will review ties over nuclear row.

BRUSSELS (AFP) - EU foreign ministers expressed "increasing concern" over Iran's nuclear program and warned that the EU will review relations with Tehran unless it cooperates with the international nuclear watchdog agency, the IAEA.

In a joint declaration Monday, the foreign ministers demanded Iran's "urgent and unconditional acceptance" of an additional protocol under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) to provide for surprise inspections of its nuclear sites.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030721/wl_mideast_afp/eu_foreign_iran_warn_030721151347

The ministers "decided to review future steps of the cooperation between the EU and Iran in September," the statement added.
21 posted on 07/21/2003 8:35:15 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: dixiechick2000
I'm sure there's monitoring already going on here of larger pro-democracy groups and organizations. There are Iranians here with prices on their heads.
But chatting back and forth within the U.S. isn't what they're after. It's people and organizations with direct links to student leaders and pro-democracy groups in Iran that I think they're concerned about. It's that kind of outside influence they're trying to quash. (I think)
22 posted on 07/21/2003 8:36:11 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert; dixiechick2000; DoctorZIn; seamole; RaceBannon
Bush raises stakes in Iran turmoil


PRESIDENT BUSH has dramatically raised the pressure on the troubled, divided leadership of Iran. He and other world leaders would "not tolerate construction of a nuclear weapon" by Iran, he said Wednesday. Bush's rise in rhetoric coincided with efforts at a meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency to get Iran to sign an additional protocol under the Non- Proliferation Treaty to permit more intrusive inspections of its nuclear facilities. Tehran, which says it needs more nuclear plants to generate electricity, has bridled at accusations by Washington and others that it has concealed a nuclear weapons program.

The president also further praised pro-democracy protesters in Iran, and urged the Islamic government there to treat the embattled students and other dissenters with "the utmost of respect."

It is a tense time for the nation immediately east of Iraq, where American military forces remain on alert. Iran is very conscious of being tagged by Bush, along with Iraq and North Korea, as part of an "axis of evil."

Whether the flexing of American power next door has much to do with the growth of unrest, especially among younger Iranians, is hard to gauge. There is, however, little doubt that most people in Iran, who vote when they have the chance for reformist politicians, would like to loosen the tight control maintained by the conservative clergy since the Islamic revolution of 1979.

Few Iranians want to bring back the discredited monarchy of the shah, but millions also don't want their lifestyle choices, and decisions of their president and legislative majority, negated by the heirs of the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and bands of thuggish "vigilantes" who show up to punish dissent.

The popular desire for more personal freedom, however, has no chance while Ayatollah Ali Khamenei functions as supreme leader, controlling the judiciary and trumping the administration of twice-elected President Mohammed Khatami in such important matters as who stays out of prison and who does hard time.

Dissent is disorganized and its effect on the power structure minimal. Scattered protesters, without muscular protection, are easily picked off or intimidated by Khamenei's enforcers. And Bush's vocal backing of restive Iranians may not be helpful, given wariness about past U.S. support of the shah.

Yet, with America at the forefront of efforts to police suspicious aspects of Iran's nuclear program, Iran has to treat Bush's warning on the issue with deadly seriousness. Tehran could ease the crisis by signing the additional protocol.

The real world -- in the form of both internal pressure for democracy and international demand for nuclear safety and eradication of terrorism -- is knocking loudly on the Iranian mullahs' doors. They should open up before the world comes crashing through.

** http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/06/19/ED84992.DTL
23 posted on 07/21/2003 8:43:34 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: nuconvert; dixiechick2000
The Mullahs and hard liners in Iran believe in the theory of suspicion to any one who has links with west.
A chatter can be an Agent to their view.
A poster here can be a spy.
They dont know any thing and they dont recognize any thing except their right to survive.
24 posted on 07/21/2003 8:46:47 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: F14 Pilot
"They should open up before the world comes crashing through."

That's okay. Let the world come crashing through. With "brooms" to sweep the place out.
25 posted on 07/21/2003 8:52:47 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
They didnt want to open the doors because they knew that people wont accept a theocracy.
So they had to tighten the security and act under the name of Allah to do what they wish.
The more they opened doors, more they drowned in to people's will.
People just dont want a religious form of governing.
That is it.
They will be swept out soon.
26 posted on 07/21/2003 8:59:44 AM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: All
I just received this comment from one of our student contacts in Iran...

"Tell the forum that Iranians won’t be afraid of Ayatollahs any more.
If they jail all of us, we will be freed sooner that they think.
They cannot do any thing to stop this opposition.
They will be toppled so soon."

This is not a game. They are a brave people. These are life and death matters. We must not be silent. We must educate Americans of their courage and the price they are paying in their struggle for the liberties we take for granted.
27 posted on 07/21/2003 9:07:57 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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Canada Warns Iran to Come Clean

July 21, 2003
Toronto Star
Miro Cernetig

SHAWINIGAN, que. -- Prime Minister Jean Chrétien is demanding that Iran find out whether Canadian photojournalist Zahra Kazemi died because she was beaten while in police custody.

"If crimes have been committed, we're demanding of the Iranian government to punish those who committed the crime," said Chrétien at a news conference in his hometown of Shawinigan.

"And we will push that case because if it is the case, it is completely unacceptable that the journalist (goes) there to do professional work and (is) treated that way."

He said reports out of Iran about what happened to Kazemi are contradictory. Some Iranian officials say the Montrealer had been beaten while others deny it, he said.

"We have to know all the facts before passing another judgment, but we're very keen on having the truth out," he added.

Chrétien said yesterday he was still not sure what had happened to Kazemi, 54, who died Friday in a Tehran hospital after being arrested June 23 while taking photos near the notorious Evin jail, where many dissidents are held.

"We would like the body to come back to Canada," the Prime Minister said, adding that Canadian officials could then carry out their own examination of the cause of the woman's death.

"My information is that the body has not been buried (in Iran)."

Chrétien's comments came hours after one top official in Iran admitted Kazemi was beaten to death, and did not die of a stroke as originally claimed.

Vice-President Mohammad Ali Abtahi told reporters yesterday that Kazemi died "of a brain hemorrhage resulting from beatings," and he promised to prosecute any individual or group found responsible.

But in what vacationing Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham characterized as an "open and frank" exchange, his counterpart, Kamal Kharrazi said investigators are still determining how Kazemi's skull was fractured below her left ear.

"He pointed out she might have fallen or had an accident. I said if that's the case, clearly you will have to demonstrate that because you're in a situation that she was in your custody," Graham told the Star's Mary Gordon from Corsica, France.

"I pointed out that our information was that Madame Kazemi had been in perfectly good health when she was turned over to the Iranian authorities and that, in my view, it is up to them to establish the cause of her death."

At a news conference in Montreal, Kazemi's son, Stephan Hachemi, said he wasn't surprised by the vice-president's admission. "I'm not surprised by anything. I'm amazed and petrified by all that's going on in my life."

Though Graham expressed concern about whether Iranian authorities can proceed openly, he said President Mohammad Khatami is seeking to "make this a demonstration that the law must be applied in Iran."

Kharrazi said the investigation will be complete in a few days.

Canada has not asked for an independent investigation, Graham said. "Our wisest course is to encourage the government ... and to tell the government that we expect it to live up to its responsibilities and accept its assurances, and let it know that in the event that it does not, that we will revisit the issue."

Graham said Canadian-Iranian relations are "totally and utterly dependent on and related to the satisfactory disposition of this matter."

Gary Sick, a former White House Iran policy chief who runs the Middle East Institute at Columbia University in New York, said the Iranian government's coming forward with medical information could mean the probe will be open.

Khatami's reformist government has often accused the hard-line judiciary of running parallel security forces and unregistered detention centres. Elected in 1997, he successfully cracked down on a rogue operation in the intelligence service, Sick said. That, however, has been his only major success with regard to the security services, which are protected by senior people in the conservative side of the Iranian government and operate on their own.

Sick said though he couldn't predict its outcome, the investigation shows Khatami is trying to do something about a part of government that is "not under very good control."

Hachemi said he and his grandmother in Iran want Kazemi's remains brought to Canada, but the grandmother has been forced to say she wants the body kept there.

Janice Gross Stein, director of the University of Toronto's Munk Centre for International Studies, said Kazemi's mother has likely been severely pressured.

"It's as much an internal dispute in the family by a grandmother who's terrified of the regime, it's even more an internal dispute within the regime," she said.

"The really crucial question is, which part of the Iranian government (did this)? Because Khatami will apologize. So? It's not he who did it. It's not his people who did it."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=6d4ee36ae96f6298&pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1058393419042&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154
28 posted on 07/21/2003 9:10:41 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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This is a statement from students of Amir Kabir Technical University, Tehran.

We Will Become Liberated Without Violence

Today, while writing this declaration, we are ashamed of not being in prison and we are disgraced not being under your torture. We are suffering to see that our friends, who together were practicing day and night lessons of passive resistance and nonviolence, are in solitary confinement in your prisons under the most savage physical and mental torture.

Until yesterday Mehdi Habibi, Abdollah Momeni, Amin Zadeh, Ameri Nasab, Hojjat Sharifi, Arash Hashemi, Bagher Oskooi, and others were one with us in peaceful protest. Now their days and nights are spent in the dark prison cells that have borrowed darkness from your conscience. We will continue the path that we started together with them and in honor of them. We will never forget the promise we made to each other, that one has only to tolerate—not instigate—the violence in order to achieve peace. We tell you, as they do, that your sickle is rusted!

As you uselessly try to muffle my song,
I will sing stronger than ever.

We tell you that we will counter your readiness and eagerness to inflict pain with our strength for tolerance of pain. We will balance your power of imprisonment, torture, harm and hurt with our moral strength and we will without an ounce of hatred. However, we will never let you proudly attack and lash us, and smile victoriously at the sight of our bloodied bodies.

We are talking to YOU!
Imprison us, torture us, and extract confessions from us. Expel, imprison, exile and even execute our professors. Destroy and set fire to our houses. Make us bloody and drag us in our own blood to your torture chambers. Beat us and leave our bloodied bodies alone. We will endure and will never hate you! We will never slap your face. When you stab our side, we will never swear at you. When you throw us out from the third floor, we will answer your violence with tolerance. We will continue to tolerate pain and torture until your acts of cruelty, past and present, returns to haunt you! This is our campaign. We see freedom in nonviolence and you see power in violence. We swear that we will stand with no violence against your power, even in the face of your torture, stabs and lashes.

In pursuing freedom, we will never take arms, we will never assassinate, we will never torture. We know well that violence is bad, assassination is ugly, and torture is painful. We have learned patience and tolerance in our doctrine. There will be an ease after every hardship.
We will campaign with our honesty, our clean conscience and our minds. Our campaign is the tolerance of your torture. We will wait and tolerate the pain so long that we make your conscience, darkened for the last few decades, wake up from ignorance.

We will tolerate pain but not complain, suffer torture but not shout. We will continue until the world testifies to our innocence, and until your black conscience testifies to your cruelty. Then your nights will be filled with nightmares of your own torture cells, nightmares of the lashes you inflicted on our tired bodies, and you will not rest any more. Be certain that tomorrow, even if you are still in power, you will not be able to spend your nights without nightmares reflecting on the muffled cries and open wounds of the youth of this land.

We will tolerate pain until your conscience arises from its poisoned slumber and until you are obliged to yield to the people to relieve your guilty consciences. Tomorrow, at the time of the people’s victory and when you have fallen from the pedestal of power to the dark well of disgrace, we will be there to welcome you and show you again that we abhor violence, we do not even hate you, our torturers, and we will forgive you without any reward. Although we will never hate you, we can not forget you because the wounds you have inflicted will never heal.

We will continue to campaign without violence in order to prove to the world that violence should not be responded by violence, and cruelty is not the proper answer against cruelty. We would like to show that violence, in any shape or form and under any cover up - torturer or tortured, oppressor or oppressed - is condemned. We will become liberated without violence!

Islamic Society of Students of Amir Kabir Technical University (Tehran/Iran)
July 2003

http://akunews.org/News/view.asp?ID=2707
29 posted on 07/21/2003 9:24:36 AM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: F14 Pilot; *Bush Doctrine Unfold; *war_list; W.O.T.; DoctorZIn; Eurotwit; freedom44; FairOpinion; ..
Thanks for that article!

President Bush and Prime Minister Blair are under coordinated attack by the leftists of the world over their activities in the War on Teror.

See this article for more information:

Bush targeted by leftist 'intelligence professionals'

Bush Doctrine Unfolds :

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30 posted on 07/21/2003 9:56:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Iran Mullahs will feel the heat from our Iraq victory!)
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To: nuconvert
I'm sure there's monitoring already going on here of larger pro-democracy groups and organizations.

An Iranian friend of mine thinks so too. My friend said that there were Iranians here who would have liked to attend the recent demonstration but were afraid for family back in Iran if they did so.

31 posted on 07/21/2003 10:11:08 AM PDT by Eala
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To: F14 Pilot
"They dont know any thing and they dont recognize any thing except their right to survive."

That's chilling, but not surprising.

32 posted on 07/21/2003 1:15:36 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers)
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To: DoctorZIn
"This is not a game. They are a brave people. These are life and death matters. We must not be silent. We must educate Americans of their courage and the price they are paying in their struggle for the liberties we take for granted."

Amen, Dr.Z!

33 posted on 07/21/2003 1:20:12 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers)
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To: DoctorZIn
That is a brave statement by the university students.

"We will tolerate pain until your conscience arises from its poisoned slumber and until you are obliged to yield to the people to relieve your guilty consciences."

I think one problem is that they don't have consciences, guilty or otherwise.

34 posted on 07/21/2003 1:26:43 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000
I agree.
35 posted on 07/21/2003 1:39:21 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: DoctorZIn; All
At 5:15PM EST NPR ran the Cuban jamming story on "All Things Considered". Talk about strange bedfellows...

There is no link on their web site at this time.

36 posted on 07/21/2003 2:35:51 PM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; ...
This just in...

This is a follow-up to the CNN story of the Iranian student “Hamid.”

We just heard a report from Ghazi Saeed one of Azadi TV anchors that “Hamid” died of complications as a result of multiple infections following the brutal surgery performed on him by the regime in the infamous Evin prison.

If you missed the story you can find it at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/949321/posts?page=3#3


Our hearts go out to his family and friends.

DoctorZin
37 posted on 07/21/2003 3:41:54 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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To: DoctorZIn
Thank you for the update, DoctorZIn. My thoughts are with his family and friends as well.
38 posted on 07/21/2003 3:53:22 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: DoctorZIn
Oh, no! That you for the update on "Hamid". My heart goes out to his family.

CNN, once again, has blood on their hands.

39 posted on 07/21/2003 4:08:04 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 ("Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." --Will Rogers)
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Bush Issues One of His Strongest Recent Threat to Iran and Syria

July 21, 2003
BBC News
BBCi

US President George W Bush has accused Iran and Syria of continuing to support terrorism and warned the US may take action.

In one of his strongest recent threats to Iran and Syria Mr Bush, speaking in Texas, said their behaviour was "completely unacceptable" and that any state which continued to support terror "will be held accountable".

He also said their actions hampered peace efforts in the Middle East, calling terrorism "the greatest obstacle to the creation of a Palestinian state".

"Supporting and harbouring terrorists undermines prospects for peace in the Middle East and betrays the true interests of a Palestinian state," he said.

Iran and Syria have been the subjects of increasing attacks by the Bush administration, which considers them state sponsors of terrorism.

Iran was named by Mr Bush as part of an "axis of evil" which also included Iraq and North Korea.

Syria was later added to the list by US officials, as were Libya and Cuba.

US anger towards Syria has increased in recent months, after the US accused Syria of harbouring former members of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's regime.

And Iran has been accused by the US of attempting to develop nuclear weapons.

Iran has vehemently denied the charges, and accused the US in turn of encouraging unrest within its borders following protests by Iranian reformers last month.

'Culture of unity'

The US president was speaking at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, during a two-day visit by Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi.

Analysts say Mr Berlusconi's visit could give him more political clout
Mr Berlusconi was warmly welcomed by the US president, who personally drove the Italian leader to the ranch before beginning talks.

At a later news conference, the two leaders seemed anxious to stress the unity of the US and Europe, with Mr Berlusconi heaping praise on Mr Bush and urging reconciliation between the two sides.

"My belief is that we need to support... a culture of unity and cohesion and not nurture a culture of division," he said.

Mr Bush in turn thanked Mr Berlusconi for his "wise counsel" and expressed confidence in Italy's new role as holder of the European Union presidency.

"I am confident under his leadership that Europe and America will meet the challenges set before us," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3084213.stm
40 posted on 07/21/2003 4:17:34 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (IranAzad... Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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