[Kahonek]

"We are discussing whether those feelings change because of a hardwired orientation, or because of societal influences."

I'm sorry. I didn't realize that. I haven't suggested either possibility. I was just making the point that sexual orientation exists independently of sexual behavior (the original poster equated the two) and that it generally predates sexual behavior. We really don't know yet what causes sexual orientation.

"Please note that neither reason supports accepting homosexuality as a valid alternative lifestyle."

No -- I agree with you. That's obviously an orthogonal issue.

[ArGee]

I was just making the point that sexual orientation exists independently of sexual behavior

If you are correct, and I still suggest that it is learned, then the valid orientation is heterosexual. A homosexual "orientation" is a sign of someone needing help, not encouragement.

Shalom.