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Consider this situation - two individuals, both male or female, take your pick - have been living together in a relationship for 15 years. They hold a joint checking account, own their home as joint tenants, and have thoroughly intertwined their lives out of their commitment and devotion to each other.

Suddenly, one of them takes ill with leukemia.

Suddenly, the judgmental parents of the ill person show up, and prohibit any contact from their child's life partner, and take out a restraining order.

What legal recourse does that person have?

None whatsoever.

Is that right? Is that fair?

There's more to the question of "marriage" here than most people seem to realize.
25 posted on 07/19/2003 12:15:17 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Suddenly, the judgmental parents of the ill person show up, and prohibit any contact from their child's life partner, and take out a restraining order.

I happen to know of a case extremely similar to what you describe.
It was extremely painful for the survivor, excluded, even from the deathbed of (his/her) partner.
I would not wish that scenario on anyone, even if I would not take part in that sort of a relationship myself.

As for the specific of "marriage", I would say that is a "religiously defined" union between male and female.
That is why, besides a Justice of the Peace, only ordained ministers of a recognized religion are allowed to perform a marriage ceremony.
( I think I've got that part right. )

So, let's go the secular route, and create the "Spousal Contract", purely a legal construct, that guarantees certain legal rights, to legally recognized unions between consenting adults.

I am sure not only gays and lesbians will get behind such an initiative, but also polygamists, polyandrists, communalists, and other proponents of various types of familial traditions.
All of the usual benefits of marriage, inheritance, insurance, etc. would apply, modified to apply equally & fairly to groups greater than two (2). [ i.e., survivor's benefits, pensions, etc. normally recieved by one surviving spouse would not be multiplied for a grouping of five "surviving spouses", but appropriatley divided among the five survivors. ]

The only major restriction I would place on the spousal contract would be:
The Death Penalty for any couple or familial group that included or attempted to include a minor. ( under age of consent )

32 posted on 07/19/2003 1:55:18 AM PDT by Drammach
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That depends entirely on how well these two people have planned for this situation. Only if the two people are complete idiots and did absolutely no planning for this situation.

In most statest, a "living will" and some releases on file with your personal physician(s) will completely handle this situation. If the two people in question are indeed that committed to each other, they would probably take the time and effort to make the appropriate arrangements beforehand. If there is serious mistrust between the individual who becomes ill and the "judgmental parents," it's often possible to keep the parents out of the medical decision making process and delegate those decisions entirelly to your "life partner" or your physician or other person(s) of your choosing.

In short, your example is an extremely weak case for marriage between gay persons of the same sex. The laws and procedures on the books already in most states will handle this tragic situation.

45 posted on 07/19/2003 9:29:06 AM PDT by cc2k
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I don't mind giving legal rights, but I don't want it to be called marriage.
48 posted on 07/19/2003 9:36:58 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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Consider this situation - two individuals, both male or female, take your pick - have been living together in a relationship for 15 years. They hold a joint checking account, own their home as joint tenants, and have thoroughly intertwined their lives out of their commitment and devotion to each other.

Suddenly, one of them takes ill with leukemia.

Suddenly, the judgmental parents of the ill person show up, and prohibit any contact from their child's life partner, and take out a restraining order.

What legal recourse does that person have?

None whatsoever.

Is that right? Is that fair?

Yep. Fact is, a person's lover is not entitled to anything unless that person specifically includes that lover.

For example, unless Joe provides a will that comes right out and says my lover John or Jill gets this, John or Jill, by law, gets nothing. And that is the way it should be.

And by the way, spare us this "life partner" crap. It is boyfriend, girlfriend or lover. When you marry, it is husband or wife. End of discussion.

58 posted on 07/19/2003 10:59:21 AM PDT by Houmatt ("Best that we can do is alert people there to LP and the truth that FR has fallen."--TLBSHOW)
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and take out a restraining order.

If so, your issue is with the judge and the legal use of restraining orders. I'm personally hard pressed to see how someone could get such a restraining order issued as you suggest. Therefore, your example to me is pure and simple bull$hit.

68 posted on 07/19/2003 11:48:50 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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Consider this situation - two individuals, both male or female, take your pick - have been living together in a relationship for 15 years. They hold a joint checking account, own their home as joint tenants, and have thoroughly intertwined their lives out of their commitment and devotion to each other.

Oh Please!!!

150 posted on 07/21/2003 9:52:49 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssstian)
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