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Conservatives have lost the fine art of elegant put-down (RE: Savage)
STL Post-Dispatch | 07/13/2003 | Bill McClellan

Posted on 07/18/2003 9:39:54 PM PDT by new cruelty

Perhaps you have not read the apology issued by Michael Savage, a conservative talk-show host whose show, "The Savage Nation," was recently canceled by MSNBC. The apology appeared on his Web site.

"If my comments brought pain to anyone I certainly did not intend for this to happen and apologize for any such reaction. I especially appeal to my many listeners in the gay community to accept my apologies for any inadvertent insults which may have occurred."

And what were these inadvertent insults which may have occurred?

It turns out that a caller and Savage got into an on-air argument. The caller identified himself as a homosexual, and Savage said, "Oh, you're one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig!"

As far as insults go, that one does not seem very inadvertent to me, but then again, I'm a liberal. What do I know?

I'll tell you what I think I know. Public discourse has gotten increasingly coarse these past few years, and I blame the conservatives. I am not suggesting that the conservatives have a monopoly on coarseness. James Carville and Donna Brazille - two Democratic operatives - are as coarse and nasty as anybody on the right. It's just that I remember when the conservatives used to be, well, elegant.

That was the situation when I got my first newspaper job in 1975. I worked in Phoenix for a paper owned by Gene Pulliam, Dan Quayle's grandfather. The reporters were a seedy lot. The city editor drank heavily and wore green eye shades. If you wanted to have a serious discussion with him, you had to do so before noon. Politically, the newsroom leaned to the left, but not too hard.

The editorial writers were a cut above the reporters. They dressed better, and they were ever so much more articulate. They were all very conservative, and they all wanted to be William F. Buckley.

He was worth emulating. He was the master of the elegant put-down. When he insulted somebody, he did it with such class that even the insultee would have to admire the grace of the insult. He once wrote of Eleanor Roosevelt: "Following Mrs. Roosevelt in search of irrationality is like following a burning fuse in search of an explosion; one never has to wait very long." Or there was his comment about President Lyndon B. Johnson: "He is a man of his most recent word."

He said things like this with a total absence of rancor. It helped, too, I think, that he enunciated his words so very carefully, and he spoke so distinctively. He had an accent that marked him as a member of the ruling class. That accent, incidentally, was also imitated by our editorial writers, but with decidedly mixed results.

In contrast to Buckley, the leading intellectual lights on the left sounded self-righteous.

That hasn't changed, of course. Liberals still trend toward self-righteousness. What has changed is the quality of the argument from the right. Instead of elegant, it has become strident. Forget about absence of rancor. The new standard-bearers are furious and filled with vile. I think of G. Gordon Liddy advising his listeners to go for "head shots" when shooting at federal agents. They wear body armor, you know.

Of course, a lot of it is the nature of talk radio. It's entertainment. You've got to be outlandish. Name-calling works. Ridicule sells.

Admittedly, I'm no expert on this stuff. I can take only a few minutes of these bombastic national guys. Call somebody a "feminazi" and you lose me.

Then again, liberals just don't get it!

That qualifies as a put-down these days, and is about as articulate as it gets. It might not be up to Buckley's standards, but hey, it's a cut above the standards of Savage, who, of course, really hopes that his many listeners in the gay community accept his apologies for any inadvertent insults which may have occurred.


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1 posted on 07/18/2003 9:39:54 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
The "nice guy" and "play by the rules" sh!t has only got us a kick in the nuts from the left.

'Bout time our side started using the same vicious rhetoric and same below-the-belt tactics the left has been using for thirty years or more.

Problem with this guy, and the rest of the left, is that they don't like it that the conservatives are playing by their rule book, now. They don't like having to play at the level they set. They liked it better when only they got to play dirty.

Too bad for them, but the gloves are off on our side.

2 posted on 07/18/2003 9:46:47 PM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: new cruelty
Link?
3 posted on 07/18/2003 9:47:11 PM PDT by AlwaysLurking
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4 posted on 07/18/2003 9:47:33 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: AlwaysLurking
egads! How did I miss the link? Thanks for pointing that out.

Here it is: Conservatives have lost the fine art of elegant put-down

5 posted on 07/18/2003 9:51:23 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
Not being a big fan of Savage's, I still know enough not to take this guy's word for things. His description of things is a little skewed.
And notice he fails to mention Ann Coulter who can disembowel you verbally and make you like it.
6 posted on 07/18/2003 9:54:38 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: thegreatbeast
Agreed. The same could be said of the new pro-W Dennis Miller.
7 posted on 07/18/2003 9:56:52 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
Elegant put downs from Conservatives are reserved for elegant and rational opponants not Liberal Hacks and members of hate groups like the DemocRAT party.
8 posted on 07/18/2003 10:00:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (RATS: We're sorry Saddam.)
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To: Im Your Huckleberry
Problem with this guy, and the rest of the left, is that they don't like it that the conservatives are playing by their rule book, now.

We're not only playing by their rule book, we're playing better. That's what has them so upset.

9 posted on 07/18/2003 10:00:40 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Just because we met our fundraising goals doesn't mean you can't still contribute.)
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To: new cruelty
The guys in the House did great tonight! Savage is the only one who lost the fine art of the put down, not the Republicans.
10 posted on 07/18/2003 10:17:11 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: thegreatbeast
. His description of things is a little skewed.

Well ya... he's a leftist - it goes with the territory. But Savage is still a loudmouth blowahard that is a piss-poor example of conservative values.

If nothing else, Mikey's "message" is delivered in crass, ignorant prose. He is a parody - a fat pinata for the enemies of truth to bat around.

11 posted on 07/18/2003 10:24:58 PM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: new cruelty
I like an elegant, refined debate myself. Problem is, it's impossible to employ any kind of finesse when your opponent's debating "technique" consists of shrieking "RACIST-HOMOPHOBE-EARYTH-RAPER-NAZI-HITLER-BABY-KILLER" repeatedly at the the top of their lungs.
12 posted on 07/18/2003 10:27:28 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC (Hippies. They want to save the earth, but all they do is smoke dope and smell bad.)
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To: new cruelty
The fine art of the elegant put down is lost on the masses. It only impresses one's peers. There is room for all of us under the Conservative umbrella. To put down one's compadres is ridiculous.
13 posted on 07/18/2003 10:28:15 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: new cruelty
The fine art of the elegant put down is lost on the masses. It only impresses one's peers. There is room for all of us under the Conservative umbrella. To put down one's compadres is ridiculous. I don't care for Savage's remark but it was only a poor reaction to a provocation.
14 posted on 07/18/2003 10:29:55 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: CFC__VRWC
Sometimes you cajole the enemy with intellectualisms, sometime you sneak up and smash the foe on the back of the head with a tire iron.

Keeps the enemy off balance.
15 posted on 07/18/2003 10:31:50 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: Im Your Huckleberry
Well said.
16 posted on 07/18/2003 10:33:10 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Im Your Huckleberry; McGavin999
Agree, agree. Let's roll.
17 posted on 07/18/2003 10:35:10 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: DPB101
And when your opponent is as intellectually stunted as the modern Democrat, you pretty much have to resort to the equivalent of swatting your two-year-old across the butt when he/she is up to no good.

It's not real elegant, but it usually manages to get your point across.

18 posted on 07/18/2003 10:35:52 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC (Hippies. They want to save the earth, but all they do is smoke dope and smell bad.)
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To: new cruelty
The reporters were a seedy lot

And consuming seedy fare gives one stomach pains and gas...

19 posted on 07/18/2003 11:02:46 PM PDT by Tamzee (Peace is the prerogative of the victorious, not the vanquished.... Churchill)
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To: DPB101
Well stated.
20 posted on 07/18/2003 11:10:09 PM PDT by PGalt
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