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To: Spiff
"Bring us Barrabas!"

Sorry Rabbi, but that's pretty damning, if you ask me.

1) As pointed out, the film is done and this story is a spoof or a lie.

2) Assuming that the story is true, exactly how many people said "Bring us Barrabas"?

The answer to #2, again assuming that the story is true, is probably in the hundreds or low thousands. There were MILLIONS of Jews alive at the time (they comprised roughly 10% of the population of the entire Roman Empire, and 20% of the eastern part, to say nothing of the very substantial Jewish communities that existed in or near Babylon). So, explain to me how "that's pretty damning" for "the Jews."

Oh, and by the way, I've got another question: if every Jew in the crowd in question had asked to save the life of Barrabas, what exactly would be the crime? Before getting upset, put yourself in their minds - here's this guy claiming to be the Messiah or the King of the Jews, yet these people believe that he hasn't fulfilled the requirements of such a person as set forth in their religion. In other words, they would have believed that they were condemning a heretic. Aside from any question of whether they were correct or not (which we cannot answer, nor do I wish to even try), you have to deal with this reality - the worst that they (let alone other Jews alive at the time and not present, much less the descendants of all of the millions of Jews alive then) could possibly have been guilty of was an honest mistake. Somehow, I don't think that the most basic concepts of justice allow them, let alone the persecution of their descendants until the end of time - but that's just my humble opinion.

As with my post #18 (which you might also want to read), I'm not attacking your religious beliefs, only questioning your logic.

22 posted on 07/18/2003 10:25:37 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Ancesthntr; Spiff
Correction to post #22:

Somehow, I don't think that the most basic concepts of justice allow them, let alone the persecution of their descendants until the end of time - but that's just my humble opinion.

should be

Somehow, I don't think that the most basic concepts of justice allow for the historical and religious condemnation of them or their fellow Jews who were alive at the time, let alone the unremitting persecution and vilification of their descendants until the end of time - but that's just my humble opinion.

24 posted on 07/18/2003 10:30:43 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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