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Hong Kong’s Democracy At A Cross Road
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| July 15, 2003
| FreepForever
Posted on 07/15/2003 6:40:25 AM PDT by FreepForever
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Here is an update of the latest situation in Hong Kong's politics.
To: *China stuff; Enemy Of The State; HighRoadToChina; maui_hawaii; Slyfox; Free the USA; rightwing2; ..
PING
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:42:10 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(Communist China is the hub of all evil)
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:45:53 AM PDT
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To: FreepForever; American Soldier; onedoug; Leisler; philetus; RLK; Quix; belmont_mark; ...
Great information, my friend! Keep up the pressure. Hong Kong needs to engender "People Power" before it's too late. Hong Kong should have done this before 1997, but that's a different story and the past.
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To: FreepForever
Excellent essay..thanks for the update...BTW, how do you say "recall petition" in Mandarin?
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posted on
07/15/2003 6:55:29 AM PDT
by
ken5050
To: ken5050
Thanks! Sorry, I'm afraid there's no such phrase in Chinese because they usually answer petitions with guns. HaHa!
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:14:35 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(Communist China is the hub of all evil)
To: FreepForever
Dear Pres Hu
We would be obliged and grateful if you could kindly consider the people of Hong Kong's appeal for your Govt to live up to your promise of a "ONE COUNTRY - TWO SYSTEMS" concept for the SAR of HK.
Some of your officials might have just overlook this tiny ,little detail >>>>>>SARCASM
To: *China stuff; Enemy Of The State; HighRoadToChina; maui_hawaii; Slyfox; Free the USA; rightwing2; ..
Here's some more inside story for you:
Before Premier Wen left Hong Kong on July 1 before noon, he asked Tung what would be his estimation of the demonstrations turnout. Tung answered 30,000, maximum 40,000. When Wen left Hong Kong, he didnt fly directly back to Beijing. Instead, he made a short stopover in ShenZhen where he can watch Hong Kongs television broadcast. When he watched with his own eyes the half-million turnout at the demonstration which was broadcasted live over the television, he exclaimed: What the hell is going on here? How can a top government official misjudge the political situation and the peoples response like this? Wen understands the difference between 30,000 and half-million. Obviously, Tung screwed up big time in front of his superior. Wen made a telephone to Beijing immediately. The head of the HK & Macau Affairs Office, Liu Hui, was among Wens entourage on Wens Hong Kong visit. Liu was sitting beside Wen watching the television when Wen made that remarks. Liu Hui was one of the Chinese officials whom Liberal Party's chief James Tien met on his Beijing trip on July 5. This explains Beijings reaction and Tien's resignation. The rest is history and all over the news.
Not even President Hu JinTao knows what to do with Tung. Saving Tung (Jiang Zemin's man) would cost him some political points. Dumping Tung would show Beijing's weakness. He's cornered.
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:30:08 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(Communist China is the hub of all evil)
To: FreepForever; HighRoadToChina
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:30:19 AM PDT
by
Enemy Of The State
(If we don't take action now, We settle for nothing later!)
To: FreepForever
Thanks for the ping.
Ironically, the administration of Communist China think that they have monopolized the word revolution. Therefore, any force in opposition to the present regime, is officially labeled as counter-revolution.
Deja vu. They did the same in Hungary in 1956.
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:38:55 AM PDT
by
Smile-n-Win
(It is the nature of evil to self-destruct--but the number of good that get killed is up to the good.)
To: FreepForever
Hu and Wen are cornered, for sure....
One ancient Chinese proverb said, "leave your enemy one road to retreat, that's only human". Is this applicable here? Think long term and on the reasoning that HK needs all the friends she can get.......
To: FreepForever
Not even President Hu JinTao knows what to do with Tung. Saving Tung (Jiang Zemin's man) would cost him some political points. Dumping Tung would show Beijing's weakness. Sounds like lose-lose for him--a win-win for freedom!
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:43:21 AM PDT
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Smile-n-Win
(It is the nature of evil to self-destruct--but the number of good that get killed is up to the good.)
To: FreepForever
Can I induce you to climb out on a limb and take a stab at what might happen? The worst case scenario is some type of Tienamin Square reaction. It seems to me that if there are serious difficulties in parts of mainland China, the govt might feel the need to crack down.
What's probably holding them back, IMHO, is the fear that if they do something reqally harsh, you'll see a groundswell of world opinion to move the Olympics...OTOH, if they hold off and don't do anything, then the opposition swells...
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:50:28 AM PDT
by
ken5050
To: The Pheonix
One ancient Chinese proverb said, "leave your enemy one road to retreat, that's only human". A classical example of how people who mean to be good give evil a chance.
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posted on
07/15/2003 7:52:05 AM PDT
by
Smile-n-Win
(It is the nature of evil to self-destruct--but the number of good that get killed is up to the good.)
To: Smile-n-Win
Goodness begets goodness and evil begets evil
or as the bible says " Evil to him that thinks evils"
Don't worry, this is CHINA -2003, and the key-word is PRAGMATISM. The Hardcore-Communist leaders have all gone to meet Marx. So, Tienanmen is very unlikely. The new generation is all pragmatism.
The WW2 slogan said, "Chinese must not kill Chinese"
To: Smile-n-Win
Can't see how the brave people of Hong Kong (no matter ho courageous) can do a "hungarian uprising". 6 million against the might of the PLA
It's better to have a mature and intelligent dialoque with the new Pres and PM
To: Smile-n-Win; The Phoenix; ken5050
Yes, we are ready to give Beijing a choice. Give us popular election in 2007 and we will let Tung stay (to save Beijing's face). You know who important face is to the ChiComs.
ken5050: We are not worry about a crackdown. All demonstration are non violent and peaceful. No anti-Beijing or anti-Communist slogans. What we want is our democracy and what we're after is Mr. Tung's butt. Beijing has no excuse to use force when we are only practicing our civil right.
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posted on
07/15/2003 8:03:20 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(Communist China is the hub of all evil)
To: FreepForever
Thanks for the ping!
Stand fast, Hong Kong!
To: ken5050
Also, a crackdown on Hong Kong means they have to kiss their last hope of a peaceful reunification with Taiwan good-bye. No China leader can afford to take this risk. He will have to take the blame of the nation forever.
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posted on
07/15/2003 8:07:21 AM PDT
by
FreepForever
(Communist China is the hub of all evil)
To: FreepForever
Re your post #17
Very good thinking , good thinking indeed
Have you been reading Sun Tzu ?
In China today, pragmatism can sometimes provide the solution,
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