Longstreet becomes target of Lee's admirers

WashTimes ^ | July 12, 2003 | Ken Kryvoruka

[stainlessbanner]

He was, at the war's end, the senior lieutenant general in the Confederate Army, Lee's trusted friend and second-in-command of the Army of Northern Virginia --- yet it was not until 1998 that a statue was erected anywhere to honor James Longstreet. This slight can be traced to his membership in the Republican Party during Reconstruction, but even more damaging to his reputation was the image created by his postwar enemies: He became a villain in Southern eyes, a scapegoat for the Confederate defeat, and one of the South's most controversial figures.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Yes, good catch, thanks. It was Old Hickory who vowed to hang rebel wannabes. Republican President Lincoln wanted Jefferson Davis to escape into exile, but it was Democrat President Andrew Johnson who imprisoned Davis for two years.

[rustbucket]

Democrat President Andrew Johnson

Actually, he was elected Vice President on the National Union ticket in 1864. He sought the Democrat Party nomination for President in 1868 but didn't get it.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Actually, Andrew Jackson Johnson was always a Democrat. His being elected on the National Union ticket made him no less an ex-Democrat than it made Abraham Lincoln as ex-Republican.

[Grand Old Partisan]

CORRECTION:

Actually, Andrew Jackson Johnson was always a Democrat. His being elected on the National Union ticket made him no more an ex-Democrat than it made Abraham Lincoln as ex-Republican.

[stainlessbanner]

Fitting you would use the term tyrant. Just as you claim enemies of the U.S. take many forms, enemies of the conservative cause do so as well.

Aside from the strawman put forth, anything else to support Partisan's blasphemous claim of Iraqi/Confederate similarities? Let's hear the whole shootin' match.

Or can we just retract that statement, Partisan?

[rustbucket]

Old Beast Butler kept showing up like a bad penny. He led the House effort to impeach Andrew Johnson.

Beast was also was one of the lawyers fighting Milligan in ex parte Milligan. He lost that case. James Garfield, later president, was Lambdin Milligan's lawyer.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Abraham Lincoln first offered the 1864 vice presidential nomination to Ben Bulter, who turned it down.

[rustbucket]

Abraham Lincoln first offered the 1864 vice presidential nomination to Ben Bulter, who turned it down.

Lincoln must have been favorably impressed with Beast's administration of New Orleans.

Back to ex parte Milligan. As Milligan's lawyer, Garfield probably thought Lincoln was wrong in ex parte Milligan. So we have one Republican president who thinks another Republican president was wrong. They can't both be right. Which one was correct, GOP?

[Non-Sequitur]

...if he would have just let the first 7 states go in the begining none of that carnage would have happended and they might have come back into the union at a later date ,and we might not have the racial problems that we have now.

That is nonsense. If the 7 states had not initiated their rebellion int he first place then none of the lives would have been lost.

[Non-Sequitur]

...if he would have just let the first 7 states go in the begining none of that carnage would have happended and they might have come back into the union at a later date ,and we might not have the racial problems that we have now.

That is nonsense. If the 7 states had not initiated their rebellion int he first place then none of the lives would have been lost.

[labard1]

And if an abused wife hadn't married her husband, failed to placate him, and been there she wouldn't have been abused.

[Non-Sequitur]

And if an abused wife hadn't married her husband, failed to placate him, and been there she wouldn't have been abused.

Just because she feels that he has been abusive does that give her the right to walk out, taking community property with her, and firing shots at him on her way out the door?

[GOPcapitalist]

Note to the uninitiated. GOPcrapitalist routinely changes the meanings of words, routinely lies about comments to his posts, routinely distorts the meanings of others' comments, and routinely attempts to change the subject when defeated in argument.

Thank you for demonstrating what several have suspected for quite some time. You clearly suffer from a psychological disorder of habitual projection.

That you of all people would accuse others of changing the meaning of words then lying about it when caught is akin to Jesse Jackson giving a sermon on the sins of adultery. One need only look at your absurd denials of Hamilton's support for monarchy for all the evidence in the world. Thus I am content to let the remainder of this forum judge you in your dishonesty.

[GOPcapitalist]

Based upon the comments of your previous post it is clearly evident that you lack the sanity, much less the mental capacity, to continue this discussion further. I made no comment about any desire by Hamilton to disrupt the union - only that of his close political ally and ideological fellow traveller Timothy Pickering, who spent several years of his political career advocating that New England break off from the union and enter into alliance with Britain. If you don't like that fact, tough.

[AdamSelene235]

Secession was just as unconstitutional and illegal in 1812 as in 1830 or 1860.

Have you read New Hampshire's Constitution?

[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance ag ainst arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

[Radtechtravel]

X says,"So far as I can tell, the Battle of Fallen Timbers was fought in 1794, well before Shiloh."

X, you surely know how to use search engines do you not? How foolish to say, "as far as I can tell..." on a computer terminal, when you obviously have not tried to find out if what I said about Forrest beating Sherman head to head was true. There was at least one other Battle of Fallen Timbers, but if you search using the words "Forrest" and "Fallen Timbers" you see what I have told is true. Sherman's Fifth Division greatly outnumbered Forrest's few hundred Calvalry put together from his own, some of Morgan's men and some companies of Texas Rangers. Forrest's check on the Union army pursuit by Sherman allowed P. T. G. Beaureguard's disorganized and exhausted rebs to escape to Corinth, Mississippi after the second day of carnage at Shiloh.

You can easily verify the Battle of Fallen Timbers:

In Sherman's own words--
http://www.48ovvi.org/oh48orsfallt.html

Or:
an Audio of Shelby Foote reading from his book SHILOH, the "Battle of Fallen Timbers" where Nathan Bedford Forrest's rear guard defeated Gen. William T. Sherman's Brigade in the last action to occur at the Battle of
Shiloh.
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/topics.organizations.negeorgiacwroundtable/25

Incidently, Forrest was wounded in this clash when his men did not keep up with his personal attack on Sherman's brigade and Forrest became surrounded by blue soldiers, one of whom stuck a rifle against Forrest's left hip and shot him point blank. Only then did Forrest retreat. He grabbed a small Union private by the collar, swung him up on the crupper of the saddle behind him and rode away. Afraid of hitting their own, the bluecoats stopped shooting at Forrest whereupon he escaped shielded by a Union soldier.

Forrest's wound though serious did not penetrate his vitals, but did lodge in his back against his spine. In six weeks Forrest prematurely returned to the saddle, the wound reopened and then--finally--a doctor cut out the bullet. Forrest, a man of remarkable physique, healed up quickly and returned to the saddle a few days later.

[Non-Sequitur]

Have you read New Hampshire's Constitution?

Have you read the U.S. one?

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

The Hew Hampsire Constitution can say whatever it wants but if the passage conflicts with the U.S. Constitution then it is null and void.

[southern cross forever]

That is nonsense. If the 7 states had not initiated their rebellion int he first place then none of the lives would have been lost.


First of all it wasnt a rebellion , the right of self determination is a fundemental human right. And second , Abraham Hitler set them up and forced then into the shelling of Sumpter,Mainly i meant that if he had been a smart man he would have let them go,the problem would have been averted and it wouldn't have "destroyed" the union.

[Non-Sequitur]

And second , Abraham Hitler set them up and forced then into the shelling of Sumpter...

So let me get this straight. Lincoln set up the whole thing and Jefferson Davis and the rest of the southern leadership were so stupid that they fell right into the trap? Is that your version of 'southern heritage'?

[Grand Old Partisan]

Butler was a War Democrat, unlike all those pro-rebel Copperhead Democrats. He did an excellent job cleaning up New Orleans, which was a crime and disease-ridden pit until he took over.