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To: Boot Hill
You've got some valid points. However, you've also constructed a straw-man, in the sense that you've simply assumed that solar power advocates want/need to fully replace the current power sources.

There is a very broad middle ground here, based on paradigm of localized use. It doesn't get rid of the need for large, non-solar power plants, but it does offer some relief.

What you've done is made a case against solar cells in their entirety. Your set of "narrow exceptions" misses a whole range of possibilities.

For example, it's possible to run a home air conditioning unit using power generated by roof-top cells. The highest demand and best opportunity to use the system occur at the same time: during periods of sunlight.

It's true that there are cost/energy return issues. But those are not unsolveable.

110 posted on 07/15/2003 7:41:58 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
r9etb suggests:   "For example, it's possible to run a home air conditioning unit using power generated by roof-top cells.."

You just couldn't do it and make any kind of economic sense (without government subsidies, that is). Let's look at an example.

1. We have a 3,000 watt window air conditioner unit running 8 hours per day for 180 days per year at a utility rate of 15¢ per kW-hr. Cost per year = $648.

2. When calculating PV output we will use no loss for night time, sun angle or dirt. The starting value of 790 W/m^2 is reduced by PV loss (85%), packaging loss (20%), heat loss (15%), inverter loss (20%), leaving 64.5 W/m^2. For 3,000 watts, that's 46.5 m^2 of PV panel array needed. The area of the SP-150 (for instance) is 1.32m^2, meaning that you need at least 35 of them at $700/unit or $24,500. Plus another $3,000 for the 3kW inverter and another $5,000 for someone to install and wire this system. Now we're up to $32,500. I'll give you the building permits for free.

3. But for that same $32,500, I could have run the air conditioner off the power grid for 50 years! And this does not even begin to account for the time-value of the $32,500 I had to plunk down on day one to start this venture!

So maybe you could explain to me again just why it would be such a good idea to buy the solar cells to run the air conditioner?

--Boot Hill

118 posted on 07/15/2003 9:23:39 AM PDT by Boot Hill
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To: r9etb
For example, it's possible to run a home air conditioning unit using power generated by roof-top cells.

The same roof collector surface that forces you to use air conditioning is what you propose to use to offset it?

An umbrella would be a cheaper alternative.

156 posted on 07/15/2003 10:40:08 PM PDT by Old Professer
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