[joesbucks]

OWK is what I would consider a hard liner. Fine. But what I have found with him is that he has maintained his hard line whether Bush or Clinton on the same topics. And you know what. I don't agree with his position. But he has remained true to his core beliefs and positions.

I do believe that sometimes you go for short gains and that sometimes there is a roll for government when others believe there is not one.

But I haven't seen OWK waiver. What he is doing is holding feet to the fire based on what he sees are the needs of the country. Some don't want that to happen when certain people are in certain government posts. And that is to a point sad.

[OWK]

Thanks.

You pay me a greater compliment than you know.

[Miss Marple]

Holding feet to the fire is a phrase that I care never to hear again, because it is used to excuse every undermining and destructive political post I see on this forum.

If you want to change the direction of the party and the country, do something POSITIVE. Write and lobby your Congress and legislatures, donate money to groups that support your agenda, praise those things you like about an officeholder, argue your position with intelligence and with courtesy.

But to come on the forum and accuse the President of being a socialist and actively work to shave off support into a third party is actively campaigning against the President. There is no other way to look at it.

[Dane]

But I haven't seen OWK waiver. What he is doing is holding feet to the fire based on what he sees are the needs of the country. Some don't want that to happen when certain people are in certain government posts. And that is to a point sad

That's all wel and fine joe, but OWK doesn't offer anything constructive how to do that electorally.

He's shouts from the wilderness.

I will ask OWK the same question that I have asked other "pure" conservatives.

Who is OWK's perfect Presidential candidate. Then we will discuss that candidates strengths and weakneses and his electoral chances.

I am surmising that I will hear "crickets" from OWK, since it seems all he wants to do is tear down everything and add nothing constructive.