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THAT URANIUM STORY
NRO ^ | 7/14/2003 | David Frum

Posted on 07/14/2003 8:59:22 PM PDT by Utah Girl

On the ground floor of the White House is the Map Room, so-called because it was here that Franklin Roosevelt used to get his briefings on the progress of World War II. Over the mantel is the last map FDR saw before his death. It shows American, British, and Soviet troops racing toward Berlin. It also shows a frightening concentration of German forces in the Nazis’ last redoubt, the mountains of Bavaria.

We now know of course that this last redoubt did not exist. American intelligence had been deceived. And it’s possible that policymakers also deceived themselves. Roosevelt, for reasons of his own, wanted to let the Russians have the honor – and suffer the losses – of an assault on Berlin. The belief in the last redoubt was a very useful belief: It justified FDR’s wish to avoid joining the battle for Berlin.

Intelligence is a very uncertain business. And there’s no doubt that consumers of intelligence tend to be quicker to accept uncertain information that confirms their prejudices than uncertain information that calls those prejudices into question. Since consumers of intelligence are usually prejudiced in favor of doing little, most of the time they prefer intelligence that errs on the side of minimizing dangers.

9/11 changed the way American officials looked at the world. So when they got reports that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium in Niger, you can understand why they took the information seriously. That information has since turned out to be false – and its falsity has generated a major political controversy, as bitter-end opponents of this president and the war on terror try to exploit the administration’s error.

The controversy turns on the fact that some in the CIA doubted the story from the start. Their warnings were apparently disregarded, that is assuming that they were adequately communicated in the first place. Why? One reason may be that the CIA’s warnings on Iraq matters had lost some of their credibility in the 1990s. The agency was regarded by many in the Bush administration as reflexively and implacably hostile to any activist policy in Iraq. Those skeptics had come to believe that the agency was slanting its information on Iraq in order to maneuver the administration into supporting the agency’s own soft-line policies.

So when the Bush administration got skeptical news on the Niger uranium matter, it would not be surprising if mid-level policymakers mentally filed it under the heading “more of the same from the CIA,” filed it, and discounted it. The tendency was redoubled by the origin of the Niger-debunking report: Joseph C. Wilson. For more about him, see Clifford May's important post in last week's NRO. The result was the strange formulation in the State of the Union speech, in which the Niger story was cited – but attributed to British intelligence.

The story is an embarrassment for all concerned. But it no more undercuts the case for the Iraq war than FDR’s mistake in 1945 retroactively discredited the case for World War II. The United States did not overthrow Saddam Hussein because he was buying uranium in Niger. It overthrow him because he was a threat to the United States, to his neighbors, to his own people, and to the peace of a crucial region of the globe. All of that is just as true as it was on the day the President delivered his speech containing the errant 16 words – and the war is just as right and justified today as it was then.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britsstandbystory; cia; davidfrum; frostedyellowcake; intelligence; josephwilson; mycousinknowsclay; niger; opus; sotu; uranium; wmd
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To: dirtboy
Oh, stamp your foot and have a temper tantrum because I don't agree with your assessment of my character.
521 posted on 07/15/2003 11:53:31 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Carolinamom; Miss Marple; onyx; Howlin; justshe; PhiKapMom; Marysecretary
Both you, Howlin, and you Miss Marple, should recognize that *I* have been called a "biddy" AND "butt-smoocher" in the past couple days. That makes me QUEEN of both groups, neigh, EMPRESS. I expect both recognition & tribute.

I cannot claim the title of "harpy" yet. But just wait....

522 posted on 07/15/2003 11:53:37 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
Hey, we've been at it MUCH longer than you have; step to the back of the line!

You are up for Honorable Mention though!
523 posted on 07/15/2003 11:57:23 AM PDT by Howlin (I'm a biddie, she's a biddie, wouldn't you like to be a biddie, too?)
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To: Catspaw
Here ya go:


524 posted on 07/15/2003 11:58:25 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Catspaw
But are you "petulant" and "dishonest." 'Cause I am. I got called that twice today. Must be the word of the day on his toilet paper.
525 posted on 07/15/2003 11:59:25 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: dirtboy
(AP) White House expected to project record deficit exceeding $400 Billion.

Now, don't forget, he'a a GOP Conservative.

526 posted on 07/15/2003 12:00:09 PM PDT by Refinersfire
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To: Refinersfire
And Reagan's deficits were huge! Yet, he was a conservative.
527 posted on 07/15/2003 12:03:46 PM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Refinersfire
We are at war. Much of that is due to 1. Increased defense spending, and 2. Shortfalls due to the economy.
528 posted on 07/15/2003 12:04:42 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: carton253; Howlin; Miss Marple
But are you "petulant" and "dishonest." 'Cause I am. I got called that twice today. Must be the word of the day on his toilet paper.

"Petulant" is for the young. I am an OLD biddy, really, really old. Almost 60, you know. I've already gone through one cane & shawl set & I'm working on another. <p."Dishonest," of course, is timeless.

529 posted on 07/15/2003 12:05:19 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
ROTFLOL!
530 posted on 07/15/2003 12:06:35 PM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Miss Marple
Sshhhh!!! Don't spoil it with facts.
531 posted on 07/15/2003 12:07:19 PM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: carton253
But are you "petulant" and "dishonest." 'Cause I am. I got called that twice today. Must be the word of the day on his toilet paper.

Amazing. You just can't drop it after whining that I can't, so I'll chime back in. You were the one who first questioned my honesty, so don't whine about that issue being raised. You seem to think that folks can't go back and review the posting sequence to see who is full of crap, do you?

532 posted on 07/15/2003 12:08:22 PM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: dirtboy
According to Miss Marple's rules of posting courtesy and clear-thinking, whoever uses vulgar terminology first is the loser.

Guess where you fall?

533 posted on 07/15/2003 12:09:44 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: dirtboy
I hope they do go back and review the thread. In fact, I welcome it.

And what... I'm not allowed to say I was called petulant and dishonest... Now, you have the right to censor what I post.

LOL!

534 posted on 07/15/2003 12:10:10 PM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Matchett-PI
"Those who don't go all out to see to it that G.W.Bush is re-elected will be aiding and abetting America's enemies -- either indirectly, by not voting, or directly, by voting DemocRAT / Third Party."

BullShit.. Plain and simple. You can sit there all day and type such crap, and hope there are people out here that don't read the bills and laws coming out of DC. But it isn't so. While I will give credit to the GOP when and where it has a set of gonads and stands up to Un-Constitutional actions. I can also say that for the Democrats. For in each party (and all walks of life, if one is to be honest) there are good and bad. But to sit back and say One Party is better then the other does not and I will repeat that, does not, take in account that BOTH parties have turn their back to the Constitution and America's founding ideas. And yes, I do know that the GOP, has a "somewhat" better record..but not by much lately.

And to say that we need a larger GOP force to overcome the Democrats is also a lie. They have that % on thier side and what have they done with it? Not much to overcome the assnine laws written by both parties. I'm still waiting to see a roll back on any or all Un-Constitutional Gun Laws...oh wait.. BUSH stood for extending one, if it reaches his desk! (what a cop out, why couldn't he have a set of gonads and stand against this Un-Constitutional action?) What we need is Americans in leadership that care for America FIRST AND FOREMOST, not a damm political party!

535 posted on 07/15/2003 12:13:54 PM PDT by Refinersfire
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To: Marysecretary
"Actually, God told the churches to take care of the needy but they haven't done that either. Government was never supposed to take care of the needy but somehow it's turned into our guardian."

Agreed. But since that isn't happening, what is your solution?

536 posted on 07/15/2003 12:15:38 PM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Miss Marple
According to Miss Marple's rules of posting courtesy and clear-thinking, whoever uses vulgar terminology first is the loser. Guess where you fall?

Hmmm - I used "bullcrap." Pretty vulgar to you, I guess. Meanwhile, the other poster in this exchange says I am not being honest - while admitting that he was deliberately distorting my position.

Nice company you keep.

537 posted on 07/15/2003 12:15:56 PM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: carton253
I didn't always agree with Reagan, either. But un-like Bush.. Ron was up against a Democrat Controled Congress.
538 posted on 07/15/2003 12:15:58 PM PDT by Refinersfire
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To: Refinersfire
Vulgarity doesn't make you correct. The fact of the matter is that a large third party vote will draw support from the GOP and will therefore elect a democrat. That is a fact.

Until you can disprove this fact, agitating for conservative third parties aids the election of a democrat.

539 posted on 07/15/2003 12:16:29 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
And Un-Constitutional Spending....
540 posted on 07/15/2003 12:16:38 PM PDT by Refinersfire
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