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THAT URANIUM STORY
NRO ^ | 7/14/2003 | David Frum

Posted on 07/14/2003 8:59:22 PM PDT by Utah Girl

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To: Miss Marple; OWK
No, OWK has set it up so that if Jim gets fed up, like he did with TBLSHOW, OWK can blame it on me and my "pack."

Then he can run to another forum and whine about how the evil Bush-bots are controlling Jim Robinson, etc. etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum

I agree.

I am going to ask him the same question that I asked his comrade, in OWK's mind which has the most flaws, Bush or the demo 9.

Again I will probably hear "crickets" from OWK.

321 posted on 07/15/2003 9:21:53 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Miss Marple
No, OWK has set it up so that if Jim gets fed up, like he did with TBLSHOW, OWK can blame it on me and my "pack."

Then he can run to another forum and whine about how the evil Bush-bots are controlling Jim Robinson, etc. etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

I was here before you ever heard of FR....

I'll be here when you leave.

322 posted on 07/15/2003 9:22:26 AM PDT by OWK
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To: carton253
Bad cut and paste. Congratulations. You finally scored a minor point in this debate.
323 posted on 07/15/2003 9:23:23 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: Refinersfire
No, I can't...

And you are right... there is no legal standing for such a plan in the Constitution.

But to write this changes the debate...

Just listening to politicians campaigning, the prescription drug plan was going to happen... because of the lobbying of AARP (to name one) and the impact seniors have on elections.

I'm not saying its Constitutional... I'm not even saying it is correct.

What I am saying is that politicians do and say what gets them elected... and politics is the means by which they do it.

Teddy Kennedy wasn't thinking of the "seniors" when he voted for the bil. He was thinking of Teddy.

The President has been for prescription drugs since he started running for office. It sells well in Peoria. It sells very well well in Peoria.

That's what I mean "is legislation who's time had come..." Sooner rather than later, this legislation was going to be passed into law and seniors were going to get there prescription drugs.

324 posted on 07/15/2003 9:24:03 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Dane
I would rather focus on the candidates who have the greater flaws, the demo 9.

You it seems would rather focus on Bush.

Because at this point in time, why waste energy on at least 8, maybe 9 people who will not even garner a twinkle of support from me, much less won't be on the Presidential ballot. But since the election is, oh, 16 MONTHS AWAY!!!!!!, I though mid-term would be ok to question some of the domestic policies of the President. You call it pointing out his flaws, I call it constructive criticism.

When is it ok to bring up things I disagree with?

325 posted on 07/15/2003 9:24:04 AM PDT by eyespysomething (The advertisement is the most truthful part of a newspaper - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Dane
I am going to ask him the same question that I asked his comrade, in OWK's mind which has the most flaws, Bush or the demo 9. Again I will probably hear "crickets" from OWK.

Democrats are more flawed.

Now answer this honestly.... why do you think the fact that democrats are flawed, makes republican flaws good?

326 posted on 07/15/2003 9:24:07 AM PDT by OWK
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To: dirtboy
And yet it passed two houses of congress (both of which have a GOP majority) and was then signed into law by a republican president.

Can you tell me the exact date on which George W. Bush signed INTO LAW the bill giving tax refunds to people who don't pay taxes?

327 posted on 07/15/2003 9:24:14 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: OWK
One of which was for people who don't pay taxes.

That's a lie.

328 posted on 07/15/2003 9:24:46 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: OWK
Huh OWK still "crickets" on the question asked of you in reply #297 and that question is who is your ideal Presidential candidate.

I guess your refusing to answer the question adds another piece of evidence that you are not interested in anything constructive, but are in the business of destruction, the same business the DNC is in.

329 posted on 07/15/2003 9:24:50 AM PDT by Dane
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To: dirtboy
By who's standard... your's?

Besides, I already told you I'm not playing a 9 year old's game.

If you want to discuss this topic, let's discuss it...

330 posted on 07/15/2003 9:25:15 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Miss Marple
I will gladly join your pack. I have the utmost respect for your political commentary and knowledge.
331 posted on 07/15/2003 9:25:45 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: carton253
Besides, I already told you I'm not playing a 9 year old's game. If you want to discuss this topic, let's discuss it...

Why bother, when you can't even grasp the meaning of your own posts?

332 posted on 07/15/2003 9:26:13 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: Dane
Who is OWK's perfect Presidential candidate.

On issues?

333 posted on 07/15/2003 9:26:32 AM PDT by OWK
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To: Howlin
One of which was for people who don't pay taxes.

That's a lie.

Really? So exactly what was granting a child tax credit to someone who doesn't pay taxes?

334 posted on 07/15/2003 9:27:31 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: Refinersfire
Can anyone show me where such a plan has Legal Standing in regards to the Constitution or the Bill of Rights? Or don't they count anymore to the GOP?

Falls under the Commerce Clause, probably. And before anmyone jumps up and down screaming that this isn't commerce, people should remember that the Supreme Court, in dozens of decisions, has given very wide interpretation of what the Commerce Clause covers. Like it or not, that's the law. Now, if we can get more conservative judges on the court to change the interpretation of the Commerce Clause....

335 posted on 07/15/2003 9:28:04 AM PDT by Modernman
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To: dirtboy
Dirtboy...

There is nothing in this post about my thinking about whether the President should have veto'd the bill...

What is there is who has responsibility for legislation. The Congress or the President.

I'm not misdirecting anything. That's not blood I see on your shirt, is it? LOL!

336 posted on 07/15/2003 9:28:39 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: OWK
I'll be here when you leave.

Of course you will! You have set up a premise to protect yourself!

However, I will be here as long as you are, so you can quit wishing that I will get discouraged and quit.

337 posted on 07/15/2003 9:28:54 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: OWK
Now answer this honestly.... why do you think the fact that democrats are flawed, makes republican flaws good?

I don't live in a "perfect world" as you seem to want to.

I'd rather ally(I know that is a staist concept to you, Mr. Individualism) myself with the person and party that I agree with most of the time and has proven that it can win in the modern American political landscape.

You on the other hand knowingly or unknowingly are participating in tactics that would make the DNC proud, IMO.

338 posted on 07/15/2003 9:31:23 AM PDT by Dane
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To: carton253
There is nothing in this post about my thinking about whether the President should have veto'd the bill... What is there is who has responsibility for legislation. The Congress or the President.

Both, boss. Congress drafts legislation, the President signs it. PoliSci 101. Bush has the power to block it.

339 posted on 07/15/2003 9:31:42 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: Miss Marple
However, I will be here as long as you are, so you can quit wishing that I will get discouraged and quit.

Quit?

What would FR be without a bunch of old biddies running around accusing anyone who doesn't have a Bush shrine in their bedroom closet, of "working with the DU".

Can't find entertainment like that anywhere else.

340 posted on 07/15/2003 9:31:50 AM PDT by OWK
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