THAT URANIUM STORY

NRO ^ | 7/14/2003 | David Frum

[carton253]

Petulant, silly posts don't carry much water here. You'll have to do better than that

The pot is calling the kettle black.

[dirtboy]

Furthermore, your comment about letting the camel's nose into the fiscal tent is laugh out loud funny.

Nice try. There was no Medicare prescription drug benefit. Now there is the start of one, and the AARP and the seniors will be back each year wanting to make it bigger and bigger.

[dirtboy]

The pot is calling the kettle black.

That's the best you can do? But, then again, you ARE quite limited in your options when you're defending the indefensible...

[1rudeboy]

So in other words, you simply disagree with your elected officials. Thus the solution proposed is not to vote for them. So what is your alternative?

[dirtboy]

These guys have been pushing "go-along to get along" politics, and excuses for socialism for so long now, that fiscal conservatism really DOES seem like extremism to them.

No kidding. And tax cuts coupled with increased spending is a virtue instead of a vice, and as long as we're getting back a few more dollars a week, who cares if the government is growing like crazy? We'll let the kids pay for it later.

[Darnright]

>I do not know of any. Do you know of any he could have vetoed without also vetoing other important legislation?<

If I'm not mistaken, Presidents beginning with Bill Clinton have access to the line-item veto.

[dirtboy]

So in other words, you simply disagree with your elected officials. Thus the solution proposed is not to vote for them. So what is your alternative?

Yell and scream now and let the GOP know that they cannot take the vote of fiscal conservatives for granted. Duh.

[dirtboy]

If I'm not mistaken, Presidents beginning with Bill Clinton have access to the line-item veto.

It was struck down by SCOTUS back during the Clinton Admin.

[carton253]

dirtboy...

Where have you been... Perscription drugs is legislation who's time had come...

Do I agree with it? No... but it's good politics and old people vote. Sorry, but they do and as long as they do, politicians will continue to give them things that will make them vote for them.

Whereas I agree with 95% of what you are posting, I disagree with your assessment that it is the President's fault that the 1994 Republican Revolution is dead. He didn't kill it. The Republican House and Senate did that all by themselves.

[carton253]

Oh... I can do better, by why bother.

I thought we were having a discussion... I didn't know this was the world championship of debate... winner take all... leave your opponent dead on the field.

You and I disagree. For that I'm called silly and petulant... and now, I haven't reached dirtboy's standard for snappy come-backs.

My word! How old are you? Six?

[dirtboy]

Where have you been... Perscription drugs is legislation who's time had come...

No, it is not. We can't pay for the current stable of senior benefits in the future. We have no business adding a new one. But Bush doesn't care. He'd rather screw folks come 2017 than confront the issue now.

[dirtboy]

I thought we were having a discussion... I didn't know this was the world championship of debate... winner take all... leave your opponent dead on the field.

You've been here HOW long?

[Tribune7]

Conservatives control the GOP. The GOP controls the House and Senate. The oxymoron is that that leftists control Congress.

How do you square this? Well, not every Republican is a conservative. We have a whole lot of them who will oppose men of principle like Rick Santorum and Phil Gram and Tom Delay and Dick Armey.

So the battle isn't with Republicans as a party. We don't want the GOP to lose to the benefit of the Dems. We want the GOP to benefit from Dem losses, however.

The other problem is that the left still controls the media. This allows them to intimidate Repubs on the fence or force basically decent Repubs to back down on conservative issues to remain viable for re-election. Of course, this would be true for any third party too.

The final, and maybe biggest, problem is a lot of big business and finacial interests are supporters of strong government control and opponents of absolute morality and have a lot of influence in the GOP.

Regardless, it would stupid and suicidal to give up the politcal gains in the GOP for which we worked so hard.

[1rudeboy]

Lot's of yelling and screaming going on. Here. Somehow, I don't see the folks yelling the most ever joining the Repiblican party at the grass-roots level, and campaigning for a candidate they like. They'd rather yell and scream.

[Darnright]

"It was struck down by SCOTUS back during the Clinton Admin."

Thanks, chalk another one up to CRS disease.

[carton253]

First time I have ever talked to you... so I didn't know the rules...

But now that I do, don't think I will play by them.

I don't mind the discussion... I don't care much for the cut throat.

Last time I had to play cut throat I was 9 year old.

Should I wait until you grow up before the discussion continues?

[eyespysomething]

Somehow, I don't see the folks yelling the most ever joining the Repiblican party at the grass-roots level, and campaigning for a candidate they like. They'd rather yell and scream.

Actually, I am trying to get our county GOP head to run for something, anything.

The only way to get the changes (shrinking gov't, etc) into play is by grassroots/local action. Then take it all the way up.

[carton253]

We can't pay for the current stable of senior benefits in the future.

I absolutely agree with you.

But the reality is that as long as seniors vote and at times determine elections, politicians will pander to them.

Just like I would be up in arms if someone said after 2020, no more social security. I have paid too long into this system to be shut out.

Where you and I differ is that you put 100% of the blame on the President. It doesn't belong there. It belongs with the House and Senate.

[Modernman]

His track record as a conservative is so dependable after all

There is a certain sub-set of Conservatives who won't be happy unless every Republican in office is 100% pure conservative on every single issue. There's a name for such a conservative running for office- "unelectable."

[MEGoody]

"Mainly because he abandoned any attempt at reforming Medicare and containing costs."

He has? I know he hasn't addressed it yet, especially because it has been strongly resisted by many. But abandoned? Not so sure about that.