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THAT URANIUM STORY
NRO ^ | 7/14/2003 | David Frum

Posted on 07/14/2003 8:59:22 PM PDT by Utah Girl

On the ground floor of the White House is the Map Room, so-called because it was here that Franklin Roosevelt used to get his briefings on the progress of World War II. Over the mantel is the last map FDR saw before his death. It shows American, British, and Soviet troops racing toward Berlin. It also shows a frightening concentration of German forces in the Nazis’ last redoubt, the mountains of Bavaria.

We now know of course that this last redoubt did not exist. American intelligence had been deceived. And it’s possible that policymakers also deceived themselves. Roosevelt, for reasons of his own, wanted to let the Russians have the honor – and suffer the losses – of an assault on Berlin. The belief in the last redoubt was a very useful belief: It justified FDR’s wish to avoid joining the battle for Berlin.

Intelligence is a very uncertain business. And there’s no doubt that consumers of intelligence tend to be quicker to accept uncertain information that confirms their prejudices than uncertain information that calls those prejudices into question. Since consumers of intelligence are usually prejudiced in favor of doing little, most of the time they prefer intelligence that errs on the side of minimizing dangers.

9/11 changed the way American officials looked at the world. So when they got reports that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium in Niger, you can understand why they took the information seriously. That information has since turned out to be false – and its falsity has generated a major political controversy, as bitter-end opponents of this president and the war on terror try to exploit the administration’s error.

The controversy turns on the fact that some in the CIA doubted the story from the start. Their warnings were apparently disregarded, that is assuming that they were adequately communicated in the first place. Why? One reason may be that the CIA’s warnings on Iraq matters had lost some of their credibility in the 1990s. The agency was regarded by many in the Bush administration as reflexively and implacably hostile to any activist policy in Iraq. Those skeptics had come to believe that the agency was slanting its information on Iraq in order to maneuver the administration into supporting the agency’s own soft-line policies.

So when the Bush administration got skeptical news on the Niger uranium matter, it would not be surprising if mid-level policymakers mentally filed it under the heading “more of the same from the CIA,” filed it, and discounted it. The tendency was redoubled by the origin of the Niger-debunking report: Joseph C. Wilson. For more about him, see Clifford May's important post in last week's NRO. The result was the strange formulation in the State of the Union speech, in which the Niger story was cited – but attributed to British intelligence.

The story is an embarrassment for all concerned. But it no more undercuts the case for the Iraq war than FDR’s mistake in 1945 retroactively discredited the case for World War II. The United States did not overthrow Saddam Hussein because he was buying uranium in Niger. It overthrow him because he was a threat to the United States, to his neighbors, to his own people, and to the peace of a crucial region of the globe. All of that is just as true as it was on the day the President delivered his speech containing the errant 16 words – and the war is just as right and justified today as it was then.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britsstandbystory; cia; davidfrum; frostedyellowcake; intelligence; josephwilson; mycousinknowsclay; niger; opus; sotu; uranium; wmd
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To: OWK
As I see it, OWK, the problem is this - the modern state, including the Federal U.S. Government, has been transformed over the last 70 odd years into an essentially socialist institution.

Those who believe in socialism and the panoply of 'benefits' delivered by the state are at home in the legislature, the courts, and the bureaucracies.'Conservatives', in this situation, almost always become 'socialist-lite' parties, because political struggle under socialist systems becomes an economic battle for control of the governmental money levers.

I have no solution - except to hope that a critical mass of contrary anti-socialist thinkers will hold out long enough to be relieved by a younger generation unwilling to pay the old bills of American socialism.

There is no free lunch - neither economically or historically.
221 posted on 07/15/2003 7:44:33 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: dirtboy
"I know that 1994 seems like eons ago, but the GOP DID win both houses in that election because they ran on conservative values, not pandering."

Why not? At that point, they had nothing to lose, so go for the 'gusto'. And with Clinton as President, people were more willing to vote conservative for the sake of 'balance.'

As everyone on this thread should know, maintaining such a 'lock' as we have today is tenuous business. It rarely happens and simply doesn't stay that way, particularly if the policies put forth during that 'lock' are not 'centrist'.

222 posted on 07/15/2003 7:44:46 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: dighton
WFA® at #154.
223 posted on 07/15/2003 7:45:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dirtboy
He "abandoned" any attempt because he did not have the votes he needed in the Senate.

The House and Senate are responsible for legislation... not the President.

So, he got his prescription drugs... If he gets the votes he needs in the Senate, he can go back and get the reform. Ronald Reagan called that good politics.

224 posted on 07/15/2003 7:46:03 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: dirtboy
"But Bush has gone way beyond that with his pandering and spending."

That is a matter of opinion, obviously. Most of this nation is in the middle of the continuum, not the left or right. I know some have a hard time facing that fact, but it is true none the less.

225 posted on 07/15/2003 7:46:16 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: 1rudeboy
BFD @ 223
226 posted on 07/15/2003 7:46:48 AM PDT by OWK
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To: Area51
"When you hand out money to people that don't pay any tax yeah I'd damned sure call that a spending bill."

I would too. So which tax cut did that?

227 posted on 07/15/2003 7:46:49 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: carton253
No, the President isn't the one who has gutted it.

Oh, bull. He has proposed spending increase after spending increase while simultaneously proposing tax cuts. That is the hallmark of fiscal irresponsibility.

228 posted on 07/15/2003 7:47:14 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: carton253
He "abandoned" any attempt because he did not have the votes he needed in the Senate.

Then he should have just called it a day and let the bill die. Instead, he let the camel's nose into the fiscal tent.

229 posted on 07/15/2003 7:48:19 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: eyespysomething
Amen to that. Sad to see there are only a few vestiges of 1994 left in the GOP.
230 posted on 07/15/2003 7:49:15 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: MEGoody
The one that is going to send out checks in about 2 weeks.
THAT ONE!
231 posted on 07/15/2003 7:50:30 AM PDT by Area51
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To: OWK
"Integrity and principle coupled together, should yield conservative results for someone claiming to be a conservative."

You are either naive or simply choose to deny the facts.

Being a 'conservative' is not a lock-step, koolaid drinking kind of thing. It represents a spectrum of views (as has been stated previously).

The people in this country tend toward a centrist view. An extreme conservative isn't going to get re-elected, you know.

If you think your particular 'conservative principles' are the ones which will win the hearts of the American people, go for it. Find a candidate that will run on them or run yourself.

232 posted on 07/15/2003 7:50:56 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: 1rudeboy
Isn't an argument supposed to propose an alternative?

There have been plenty of alternatives proposed - however, they involve the GOP actually making a principled stand on fiscal issues - and the fact that you do NOT consider that to be an alternative speaks volumes about YOUR political views.

233 posted on 07/15/2003 7:50:56 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: MEGoody
An extreme conservative isn't going to get re-elected, you know.

That's a hoot - since when did fiscal conservatism become extremist? It seems to be a rather mainstream concept.

234 posted on 07/15/2003 7:52:04 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: MEGoody
Being a 'conservative' is not a lock-step, koolaid drinking kind of thing.

That's another hoot - the only koolaid drinkers I see here are the folks demanding that us fiscal conservatives drink THEIR brand of koolaid and accept Bush's spendthrift ways.

235 posted on 07/15/2003 7:53:26 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: dirtboy
Oh bull right back at you!

He can propose all he wants... in the end, the responsibility lies with the Senate and the House. American Government 101!

236 posted on 07/15/2003 7:54:43 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: OWK
BFD @ 15-
237 posted on 07/15/2003 7:54:43 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dirtboy
That's the problem here it seems.

These guys have been pushing "go-along to get along" politics, and excuses for socialism for so long now, that fiscal conservatism really DOES seem like extremism to them.

238 posted on 07/15/2003 7:55:05 AM PDT by OWK
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To: carton253
He can propose all he wants... in the end, the responsibility lies with the Senate and the House. American Government 101!

And if he caters to the RINOs with his public statements and undercuts fiscal GOP conservatives, and makes it clear he won't use his veto pen to curtail spending, then he has opened the gates.

Petulant, silly posts don't carry much water here. You'll have to do better than that.

239 posted on 07/15/2003 7:56:41 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: dirtboy
Again... must disagree.

The President's agenda is presented on the Hill... After that, it is up to the Senate and the House.

He signed it because he got some... he will get the rest later (hopefully)...

Furthermore, your comment about letting the camel's nose into the fiscal tent is laugh out loud funny. This is Washington. The whole camel has been in the fiscal tent for a long time.

240 posted on 07/15/2003 7:56:41 AM PDT by carton253 (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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